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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 20th Jun 17, 7:32 AM
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    Are the number of court cases tailing off?
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    • 20th Jun 17, 7:32 AM
    Are the number of court cases tailing off? 20th Jun 17 at 7:32 AM
    I often have a quick glance at the day's court listing, helpfully produced by the BMPA on a daily basis, and I'm starting to think that the number of cases are reducing slightly. Today's listing:

    http://www.bmpa.eu/court.html

    COURT CASES FOR 20-06-2017

    Court Claim Number Claimant Comments
    Banbury C1FC9T9K ParkingEye
    Bradford C9DP4V91 Excel Parking Services Set Aside
    Bradford D4HW003Q UK Parking Control Set Aside
    Bristol C5GF62CX/2 Link Parking From 18-05-2017
    Burnley D5QZ1504 PCN (NW)
    Burnley D4GF8255 SIP Parking Set Aside
    Clerkenwell D7GF328F UK Car Park Management
    Clerkenwell C6GF31FF Parking Control Management (UK)
    Croydon CG9F042X Parking Control Management (UK) Set Aside
    Edmonton 3JD13359/2 ParkingEye
    Gloucester C1AU0X4P NSGL
    Huddersfield C4GF0T1C ES Parking Enforcement
    Huddersfield D6GF868J ES Parking Enforcement
    Huddersfield D7GF412J SIP Parking
    Maidstone C1GM3N8X Civil Enforcement Set Aside
    Maidstone C2GF0X5K UK Car Park Management Set Aside
    Manchester D7GF368P UK Parking
    Manchester D4DP609W Excel Parking Services
    Manchester C9GF8Y3N Minster Baywatch Paper Hearing
    Manchester D1GF652T UK Parking Patrol Office
    Mansfield A4FC845T ParkingEye Set Aside
    Oldham C3DP17CT Excel Parking Services
    Oldham D2GF5784C UK Parking Patrol Office
    Stockport C8QZ0D9K SIP Parking Set Aside
    Swansea C9QZ7E9Z/5 Excel Parking Services Set Aside
    Swansea C9GF5Y8M/2 Millennium Door and Event Security Set Aside
    Telford C1GF9N1C SIP Parking
    Walsall D7GF586R Euro Car Parks
    Walsall D3GF012X Euro Parking Services
    Wolverhampton D4DP4528 Vehicle Control Services Disposal
    Woolwich D0GM29J3 Civil Enforcement Set Aside
    York C8GF3V0R Minster Baywatch
    York D4GF9044 Minster Baywatch

    That's 33 cases and one third of these are 'set asides'.

    It might be an interesting exercise to get a daily figure to see how the pattern emerges (no need for a continuing copy and paste of the whole list - unless there's anything particularly interesting in it). So I'll start the ball rolling with today's figure.

    33/11

    Anyone is welcome to update the daily figure if they happen to be viewing the listing.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 20-06-2017 at 7:34 AM.
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    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 15th Jul 17, 11:39 AM
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    "unreasonable behaviour by one of the lay reps."

    was that a error in law , or the judges personal opinion
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    This is precisely why there is concern about unregulated lay reps and Mackenzie friends. The majority do a fantastic job, don't get me wrong. But here is an example of it going spectacularly wrong. Can the Defendant seek recovery of those costs from the lay rep? Even if they weren't paying there must have been a contract and/or a duty of care?
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 15th Jul 17, 12:17 PM
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    I foresee staff problems at that hospital now , that test case has opened a huge floodgate which will result in financial misery to thousands

    can the situation be appealed , this time stating in witness statements that there are over 100,000 tickets floating about ?
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    there are plenty of other hospitals that are short of staff, a mass resignation of staff going elsewhere may make people at the top take notice.
    Be interesting to see if there is any reaction from the Welsh government, and n or nursing unions over this.
    Was it 9,000+ permits issued for 1,000 something spaces?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 15th Jul 17, 12:38 PM
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    there are plenty of other hospitals that are short of staff, a mass resignation of staff going elsewhere may make people at the top take notice.
    Be interesting to see if there is any reaction from the Welsh government, and n or nursing unions over this.
    Was it 9,000+ permits issued for 1,000 something spaces?
    Originally posted by Half_way
    9,000 permits for 1,360 spaces
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Jul 17, 12:41 PM
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    I've been a bit preoccupied the last few days, why has my post been removed and how was it casually sexist? Just curious.
    Originally posted by Loadsofchildren123
    No idea really, it was an odd comment by the person who made it. Yours might have been removed for naming someone who is named after a Country.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 15th Jul 17, 1:03 PM
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    They can always go on strike, bring the hospital to a close. Front pages, Sky News, crowd funding, nurses in uniform on picket lines, burning their bras, questions on QT, get Jezza to lead a march, I am sure the public would sympathise.
    Originally posted by The Deep
    seems they are already leaving

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283318/Cardiff-man-quits-NHS-job-getting-800-parking-fine.html

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/care-assistant-quits-job-after-12694095

    more will follow in his steps

    people work in the NHS to help people , not to be taken to court for £800 "fines" for parking at work , as the guy says , less stressful life as a salesman !
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 15th Jul 17, 1:04 PM
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    I wonder if the staff had to pay for these permits?
    If so then it's a lucrative money maker for the hospital, and should raise questions that the staff are being offered something with no chance of success.
    An foi to the hospital could bring up a few interesting answers.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 15th Jul 17, 1:12 PM
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    I wonder if the staff had to pay for these permits?
    If so then it's a lucrative money maker for the hospital, and should raise questions that the staff are being offered something with no chance of success.
    An foi to the hospital could bring up a few interesting answers.
    Originally posted by Half_way
    permit (authority) to park but as in many council residential situations "we cannot guarantee a space"
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 15th Jul 17, 5:02 PM
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    I fear that the Trust may have bitten off a lot more than it can chew here. I expect to see a climb down in the near future. t
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 15th Jul 17, 5:21 PM
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    permit (authority) to park but as in many council residential situations "we cannot guarantee a space"
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    although can not guarantee a space would normally mean you have a reasonable chance of finding a space, selling more 8,000 permits or so more than can be honoured is pushing reasonable behaviour far beyond normal expectations, and could/should come back to bite the trust hard.

    once a certain threshold had been reached, the trust should have started a waiting list for permits, and stopped issuing them like confetti.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 15th Jul 17, 5:32 PM
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    agreed , and over 7640 should ask for refunds in the morning , I think repercussions will happen , I am suprised in that the union was not involved (or more involved) and secondly in this TESTcase that both affects thousands of people and a LOT of money , why only a ley rep was used , with the amount at stake a very quick wander around with a bottle could have resulted in qualified person representing them
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 15th Jul 17, 8:30 PM
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    [/quote]agreed , and over 7640 should ask for refunds in the morning , I think repercussions will happen , I am suprised in that the union was not involved/quote]
    It has all the hallmarks of a sleepwalk case, where those who may have beeen able to shine a light on it may not have been fully aware.

    A poster on the prankster blog has said this
    I would consider action against the Trust for issuing permits knowingly above the facility to honour the use of them.
    Promissory estoppel
    http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/promissory_estoppel.asp

    One of the issues is the Government will not step in until something gives somewhere that in turn causes outrage, such as a PPC going after someone with mental health issues, or any other issues that results in loss of life.

    wheres your report Mrs May?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 15th Jul 17, 8:41 PM
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    agreed , and over 7640 should ask for refunds in the morning , I think repercussions will happen , I am suprised in that the union was not involved/quote]
    It has all the hallmarks of a sleepwalk case, where those who may have beeen able to shine a light on it may not have been fully aware.

    A poster on the prankster blog has said this


    One of the issues is the Government will not step in until something gives somewhere that in turn causes outrage, such as a PPC going after someone with mental health issues, or any other issues that results in loss of life.

    wheres your report Mrs May?[/QUOTE]

    here comments were just made to the mirror/times/telegraph to passify people , there was never any intention , and is still not , to upset companies like this

    forget the UK giverment they will fo nothing , however the welsh , they hate the english https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_Park_Services_UK_Limited and even hate the french more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardian_(company)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9dit_Agricole

    be careful parking your 2cv in wales now

    hopefully they will be booted out after brexitt,
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Loadsofchildren123
    • By Loadsofchildren123 18th Jul 17, 10:28 AM
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    Much smaller scale, but I've helped on 3 cases concerning the Admiral staff car park in Swansea. The staff do pay for their permits (£50 pcm). The Admiral contract does say spaces can't be guaranteed, but the expectation is clearly that enough spaces are available (and all the tickets related to permits falling off the windscreen, not to parking out of the lines).
    In all three cases I wrote LBCs to Admiral and they got the proceedings withdrawn.
    There might be a similar thing to be done here. Suing the trust for recovery of losses - although that WOULDN'T apply to an unreasonable costs order because the NHS trust can't be responsible for unreasonable behaviour by a lay rep.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 19th Jul 17, 10:20 PM
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    Fallen asleep on this (original post objective!).

    Today (19/07/17)

    28/6



    As an aside - there's one case annotated 'Disposal'. Can anyone 'court savvy' be able to explain what this means?
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 19th Jul 17, 10:37 PM
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    As an aside - there's one case annotated 'Disposal'. Can anyone 'court savvy' be able to explain what this means?
    Taken my own advice to those asking Qs without doing some preliminary research - Google search!

    If understand what I've read, it's seemingly where a defendant accepts liability and the court disposal case is to assess costs.

    Am I correct?
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Jul 17, 11:50 PM
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    Think so, but I am as much in the dark about that as you, U!
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 21st Jul 17, 9:28 AM
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    21/07/17

    32/8
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