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    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 19th Jun 17, 9:04 PM
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    Disabled person deeply concerned with fire from his second floor flat?
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    • 19th Jun 17, 9:04 PM
    Disabled person deeply concerned with fire from his second floor flat? 19th Jun 17 at 9:04 PM
    A work colleague lives in social housing on the second floor of a block of flats. He uses a wheel chair to get about inside the flat, and walking aids while outside.

    In light of the recent fire in West London, he is deeply concerned about fire in his block. The current advise is to stay in your flat, as fire is expected to be contained in a block.

    His only escape would be a lift, which is usually not used in the event of a fire.

    His block as gone through a regeneration scheme in the last few years.

    Should he bring his concern to the landlord on how best to exit a fire in an emergency, or simply not worry, as blocks are extremely safe?
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 19th Jun 17, 9:40 PM
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    A work colleague lives in social housing on the second floor of a block of flats. He uses a wheel chair to get about inside the flat, and walking aids while outside.

    In light of the recent fire in West London, he is deeply concerned about fire in his block. The current advise is to stay in your flat, as fire is expected to be contained in a block.

    His only escape would be a lift, which is usually not used in the event of a fire.

    His block as gone through a regeneration scheme in the last few years.

    Should he bring his concern to the landlord on how best to exit a fire in an emergency, or simply not worry, as blocks are extremely safe?
    Originally posted by trinidadone
    I'm surprised he doens't already know the safest exit in case of emergency. Any concerns he should talk to the landlord of course.
    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 19th Jun 17, 9:55 PM
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    Why are you surprised a disabled person does not know how to vacate a building safely in an emergency?
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 19th Jun 17, 10:12 PM
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    Why are you surprised a disabled person does not know how to vacate a building safely in an emergency?
    Originally posted by trinidadone
    Because i'm disabled and if i lived in a block of flats like that then i'd want to know how to vacate the building in a emergency, that's why. Meaning i would have already found out before now.
    • kingfisherblue
    • By kingfisherblue 19th Jun 17, 11:24 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 11:24 PM
    I have a disabled son and we live in a house. I have plans in place to escape in case of fire, even if we're upstairs. If we lived in a flat, I would consider escape plans to be even more important.

    OP, can your colleague check to see what type of cladding is on his building? I understand that Grenfell was clad using Reynobond PE, but there is another type of cladding called Reynobond FR, which is fire resistant and only costs £2 more per square metre. It's possible that the flats have been clad in a fire resistant material and he isn't aware. However, he should still consider his options in the event of a fire.

    This link is quite interesting, and refers to landlords needing to have a fire risk assessment - I don't know if it is any help, but it might be worth reading.

    http://www.elitefire.co.uk/fire-escape-guide-for-wheelchair-users/
    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 19th Jun 17, 11:51 PM
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    Because i'm disabled and if i lived in a block of flats like that then i'd want to know how to vacate the building in a emergency, that's why. Meaning i would have already found out before now.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    And are you aware of how long the person has lived at the address? and are you aware when the persons disability occurred? Do you know if the disability has now affected how the individual can leave the building? do you know if the regeneration work has affected the exit of the building?

    You seem to be aware of quite alot with the little information shared on here!!!
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    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 12:00 AM
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    I have a disabled son and we live in a house. I have plans in place to escape in case of fire, even if we're upstairs. If we lived in a flat, I would consider escape plans to be even more important.

    OP, can your colleague check to see what type of cladding is on his building? I understand that Grenfell was clad using Reynobond PE, but there is another type of cladding called Reynobond FR, which is fire resistant and only costs £2 more per square metre. It's possible that the flats have been clad in a fire resistant material and he isn't aware. However, he should still consider his options in the event of a fire.

    This link is quite interesting, and refers to landlords needing to have a fire risk assessment - I don't know if it is any help, but it might be worth reading.

    http://www.elitefire.co.uk/fire-escape-guide-for-wheelchair-users/
    Originally posted by kingfisherblue
    Thank you for the "non-judgement" information. I found the link very interesting. I am assuming the colleague can check with the landlord on the type of cladding used on the block as he may not know.

    I did find the following information helpful from your link, thank you:

    "Lifts are usually prohibited during an emergency evacuation, which means alternative methods must be arranged for transporting wheelchair users safely out of the building. This can involve using specific evacuation lifts, moving wheelchairs users horizontally to another fire compartment within the building, using evacuation chairs or employing ‘carry-down’ procedures, which involve carrying someone in a wheelchair up or down a set of stairs".

    I think i will discuss your link with him later this morning.
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 20th Jun 17, 7:19 AM
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    And are you aware of how long the person has lived at the address? and are you aware when the persons disability occurred? Do you know if the disability has now affected how the individual can leave the building? do you know if the regeneration work has affected the exit of the building?

    You seem to be aware of quite alot with the little information shared on here!!!
    Originally posted by trinidadone
    I wasn't judging anyone! you asked i told! Why would i judge when i'm disabled myself?! It's a fact that if i lived in a block of flats i would want to know the escape route incase of emergency! How long your friend has been disabled or how long he's loved there doens't come into it!! Now i've answered, it's time to move on....
    • tacpot12
    • By tacpot12 20th Jun 17, 8:39 AM
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    Does his block have a central fire alarm, or a sprinkler system?

    How certain is he that his flat is fully seperate from neighbouring flats? This is something he could raise with the landlord.

    Does his flat have a 60 minute fire door at its entrance? The landlord may be prepared to upgrade to 60 minutes if the current door is only rated to 30 minutes. Are the smoke seals on any fire door in good order?

    Most private landlords are not fire safety experts and might only assess the risks from an able-bodied person's point of view.
    • B_G_B
    • By B_G_B 20th Jun 17, 9:07 AM
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    I am a wheelchair user and have recently had a home visit from my local fire brigade. I think that most (all) fire brigades will do this as a free service. Well worth it.
    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 9:26 AM
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    I wasn't judging anyone! you asked i told! Why would i judge when i'm disabled myself?! It's a fact that if i lived in a block of flats i would want to know the escape route in case of emergency! How long your friend has been disabled or how long he's loved there doesn't come into it!! Now I've answered, it's time to move on....
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    yes you are being judgement, and I am "surprised" your doing that!! no idea why, maybe your trolling. Its a colleague, not a friend, and yes it does have a baring on how long the disability is, and how long he "loved" there. Let me educate you............ His needs are different from before, so his fire exit plan has now changed, base on his disability. What he could do before, he is unable to now. As you can read from the first post, he uses crutches when exiting his home. Because of this, he is currently unable to use stairs, and again as mentioned before, he has been advised not to use the lift.

    This is why I thought I would post here on his behalf.
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    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 9:30 AM
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    Does his block have a central fire alarm, or a sprinkler system?

    How certain is he that his flat is fully seperate from neighbouring flats? This is something he could raise with the landlord.

    Does his flat have a 60 minute fire door at its entrance? The landlord may be prepared to upgrade to 60 minutes if the current door is only rated to 30 minutes. Are the smoke seals on any fire door in good order?

    Most private landlords are not fire safety experts and might only assess the risks from an able-bodied person's point of view.
    Originally posted by tacpot12
    Morning Tacpot12, unfortunately no, there is no overhead sprinkler system in place in his block, and there is also no alarm system. There is a hevey intercom door at the entrance of the block, so I assume that is a fire door. Not sure on the seals, worth a thought though. I suspect your right in regards to viewing from a able persons view point. Thank you for your contribution, very helpful
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    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 9:31 AM
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    I am a wheelchair user and have recently had a home visit from my local fire brigade. I think that most (all) fire brigades will do this as a free service. Well worth it.
    Originally posted by B_G_B
    Again, another piece of valuable advise, thank you
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 20th Jun 17, 9:32 AM
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    yes you are being judgement, and I am "surprised" your doing that!! no idea why, maybe your trolling. Its a colleague, not a friend, and yes it does have a baring on how long the disability is, and how long he "loved" there. Let me educate you............ His needs are different from before, so his fire exit plan has now changed, base on his disability. What he could do before, he is unable to now. As you can read from the first post, he uses crutches when exiting his home. Because of this, he is currently unable to use stairs, and again as mentioned before, he has been advised not to use the lift.

    This is why I thought I would post here on his behalf.
    Originally posted by trinidadone
    Firstly as i said before i was NOT judging!! secondly i'm not a troll for your info!! You wouldn't use a lift in case of an emergency anyway. Why don't you just find the door and leave quietly...
    • trinidadone
    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 9:40 AM
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    Firstly as i said before i was NOT judging!! secondly i'm not a troll for your info!! You wouldn't use a lift in case of an emergency anyway. Why don't you just find the door and leave quietly...
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    If your not judging or a troll, leave me alone. I am not finding any of your posts helpful or related to the original question.
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    • w06
    • By w06 20th Jun 17, 10:37 AM
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    Fire brigades have lists of vulnerable residents, I found my way on to the local list for one reason but apparently should have been on it for another as well. They do i think 3 yearly visits, your colleagues could ask the local brigade to visit and advise.
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    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 10:39 AM
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    Fire brigades have lists of vulnerable residents, I found my way on to the local list for one reason but apparently should have been on it for another as well. They do i think 3 yearly visits, your colleagues could ask the local brigade to visit and advise.
    Originally posted by w06
    Great advice again, did you just contact your local station, or a national number?
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    • venison
    • By venison 20th Jun 17, 10:35 PM
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    Following recent tragic events my bet is that within the next 12 months all 4200 social housing tower blocks will be fitted with sprinkler systems.
    I am now a Board Guide on the Credit card board and the Loan board and Benefits board (But give me time to learn the ropes thanks).
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    • By trinidadone 20th Jun 17, 11:21 PM
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    The London Borough of council has announced today, it will fit all of its blocks of ten floors or more with a retro sprinkling system

    https://wp.croydon.gov.uk/news/croydon-council-to-install-fire-sprinklers-in-tallest-housing/
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    • elsien
    • By elsien 20th Jun 17, 11:32 PM
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    "Lifts are usually prohibited during an emergency evacuation, which means alternative methods must be arranged for transporting wheelchair users safely out of the building. This can involve using specific evacuation lifts, moving wheelchairs users horizontally to another fire compartment within the building, using evacuation chairs or employing ‘carry-down’ procedures, which involve carrying someone in a wheelchair up or down a set of stairs".

    The issue your friend will have with the majority of the above methods are that they require other people to support in order to utilise them. They can be cumbersome and are more often used in places where designated people are available to help. So your friend may still need to wait somewhere safe e.g. behind a 60 minute door for the fire brigade to arrive. This (whilst not reassuring following the recent fire) is not unusual in settings such as care homes where it is neither practical or possible for staff to get people with mobility or other issues out quickly and safely.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

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