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    • cantcope
    • By cantcope 16th Jun 17, 11:54 AM
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    Going to tribunal for PIP
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    • 16th Jun 17, 11:54 AM
    Going to tribunal for PIP 16th Jun 17 at 11:54 AM
    Has anyone done this? was it stressful? did you have to go to court?
    Did you fill in the form or just send a letter with more evidence?

    My new MS nurse has advised i go to tribunal and is writing me a strong worded letter to send along with my request. I'm nervous but really pleased that she is supporting me and encouraging me.
    i didnt have this for my mandatory reconsideration as my nurse retired and this one has just started.

    I really really don't want to go to court and the form says you can tick that you don't want to so i will do that.

    any advice? do i write the letter the same as like i did for mandatory reconsideration?
    Does it take months to get to court?
    my eyes are like mirrors. They reflect whats going on around me rather than whats inside
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    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 16th Jun 17, 12:04 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 12:04 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 12:04 PM
    To be honest I'd stick with your other thread... people will lose facts of your case to help.. I'll post there.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • Profligate
    • By Profligate 17th Jun 17, 10:45 PM
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    • 17th Jun 17, 10:45 PM
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    • 17th Jun 17, 10:45 PM
    Hi Cantcope

    I think you need to send the SSCS1 form if you want to lodge an appeal. You can then send further supporting evidence if you have it, or further thoughts about why/where you score more points.
    Your Mandatory Reconsideration letter should tell you what you need to do.

    It's great that your MS nurse is supporting you - if she can write a really focussed letter, detailing exactly what your care needs are, what you can/can't do, the adaptions you make to cope etc - and all in relation to the daily living activity and mobility descriptors, that could be really helpful.

    Regarding going to tribunal or having a paper decision - stats show that people who attend in person generally get better results, but only you know how difficult it will (or won't ) be for you to attend in person.

    Advicenow have a good leaflet about the PIP appeal - have a read :
    http://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-win-pip-appeal

    Good luck
    • cantcope
    • By cantcope 19th Jun 17, 1:30 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 1:30 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 1:30 PM
    Thank you. I used the took on advice now for a start on my mandatory reconsideration letter.
    I'm hoping my MS nurse is going to write ger letter focussing on the descriptors. shes seen my mandatory reconsideration letter so knows what points i have disagreed with and she is also disagreeing with them. And more :/
    my eyes are like mirrors. They reflect whats going on around me rather than whats inside
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    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 19th Jun 17, 3:27 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 3:27 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 3:27 PM
    Thank you. I used the took on advice now for a start on my mandatory reconsideration letter.
    I'm hoping my MS nurse is going to write ger letter focussing on the descriptors. shes seen my mandatory reconsideration letter so knows what points i have disagreed with and she is also disagreeing with them. And more :/
    Originally posted by cantcope
    She sounds worth her weight in gold... definitely sounds like she'll be useful.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 19th Jun 17, 8:00 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 8:00 PM
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    • 19th Jun 17, 8:00 PM
    Not attending the tribunal hearing makes a successful outcome much less probable.
    You don't get a chance to explain your limitations, or to correct some of the inaccuracies in the assessment.
    It's not a court, you are not on trail.
    The tribunal's job is to decide if the DWP made the correct decision or not.
    Your verbal evidence will be very important when the panel members are weighing up the relative strength of the evidence before them in order to come to a decision.

    Have a careful read though the How to win a PIP appeal guide. There is some very useful info there.
    • cantcope
    • By cantcope 30th Jun 17, 11:02 AM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 11:02 AM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 11:02 AM
    I sent off form, letter and evidence for my appeal on Monday. My MS nurse said i did not need to attend the hearing and none of her patients have needed to either but have received favourable outcomes.
    So now the wait.. i am not expecting good things but i cannot just sit back and let them call me a liar without standing up for myself!
    my eyes are like mirrors. They reflect whats going on around me rather than whats inside
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 30th Jun 17, 4:38 PM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 4:38 PM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 4:38 PM
    I sent off form, letter and evidence for my appeal on Monday. My MS nurse said i did not need to attend the hearing and none of her patients have needed to either but have received favourable outcomes.
    So now the wait.. i am not expecting good things but i cannot just sit back and let them call me a liar without standing up for myself!
    Originally posted by cantcope
    Alice is correct, appearing at the Tribunal in person does make the outcome more favourable to you. If there's any way possible that you can attend the hearing i strongly advice you to do this. I've heard of a lot of outcomes being negative for those that don't attend than those that do.
    • dave030445
    • By dave030445 30th Jun 17, 7:14 PM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 7:14 PM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 7:14 PM
    Alice is correct, appearing at the Tribunal in person does make the outcome more favourable to you. If there's any way possible that you can attend the hearing i strongly advice you to do this. I've heard of a lot of outcomes being negative for those that don't attend than those that do.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    But we don''t know how many of them would of won if they turned up. or ones that won may of lost if they didn't turn up.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 30th Jun 17, 8:55 PM
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    But we don''t know how many of them would of won if they turned up. or ones that won may of lost if they didn't turn up.
    Originally posted by dave030445
    Must admit I haven't seen recent PIP figures but historically the DLA data was compelling... in that those attending did far better than paper based appeal. I can't think of any significant variables that could apply to explain the disparity such as those attending being much more likely to win anyway so I think we can remove your concern in general... in that yes we don't know.. but we can probably assume those attending and those not attending on average have similar chances to win. But all this this shouldn't be surprising since I understand study showed DLA panel members strongly felt they gained information that was helpful and that they became more confident in their decision. In this case it sounds like they have an excellent supporter providing tailored evidence which might be compelling... we'll see.

    Would be interested if anyone can find PIP stats on appeals relating to this as a general guide.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 30-06-2017 at 8:59 PM.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • tyler2027
    • By tyler2027 2nd Jul 17, 12:57 PM
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    Must admit I haven't seen recent PIP figures.............. Would be interested if anyone can find PIP stats on appeals relating to this as a general guide.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog

    Does this help?

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/pip_appeals_paper_and_oral

    Scroll to near bottom of page, date 30th june, should be two attatchments, click top one labelled table final.xls. Once up, click the expand tab on the right, then it brings it up so you can zoom in

    Regards,
    T
    Last edited by tyler2027; 02-07-2017 at 3:21 PM.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 2nd Jul 17, 7:47 PM
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    Interesting - Thanks for that link.

    As I read the table for 2016/7 PIP Tribunal hearings.

    Total hearings: 70,325
    Of which paper hearings: 8,902
    Oral hearings: 61,423

    Successful paper hearings; 4,097 (46%)
    Successful oral hearings; 41,599 (68%)
    • cantcope
    • By cantcope 3rd Jul 17, 12:05 PM
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    Sorry i didn't explain that very well. She said none of her patients appeal requests have even made it to court before dwp changed and increased their awards. they all settled before the hearing.
    If i am asked and can attend then i will but iw ill not make myself ill with anxiety and stress for it so will depend on how i feel at the time. It's also a matter of cost for me as i will lose a days wages.
    my eyes are like mirrors. They reflect whats going on around me rather than whats inside
    Original debt May 06 £16569,25th Feb 08 DEBT FREE

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