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    • kimmy9999
    • By kimmy9999 16th Jun 17, 10:33 AM
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    HELP! DVLA fine for un-taxed vehicle
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    • 16th Jun 17, 10:33 AM
    HELP! DVLA fine for un-taxed vehicle 16th Jun 17 at 10:33 AM
    Hi All
    Im hoping someone can offer some advice. I made the mistake of moving house and not changing my address, and stupidly didnt check whether my vehicle needed taxing for several months! One morning, my car was clamped and then i obviously knew! I paid DVLA £100 to unclamp my car and then paid £220 to tax my vehicle for the year. I then received a further letter to pay £80.00 for not taxing my vehicle which i also paid. I have now received another letter stating my car was seen unlicensed and are now wanting to fine me a further £164. I recently lost my job and had to borrow money initially to pay, i understand it was my own fault for not changing my address in the first place, which i paid £180.00 for, and when you have no money this is a lot of money! I just feel like they are just trying to get more money out of me when i just dont have it! Is there anyway out of paying more to DVLA?
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    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 16th Jun 17, 11:21 AM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 11:21 AM
    Write to them and list the fines already paid and say you think this one is a duplicate/parallel one and issued in error and see what happens? Send it recorded. You could call them but then you have no record so if they tell you 'Ok We'll cancel it' and they don't, you can't prove what was said.

    I understand you can be fined up to £1,000 for having an untaxed car on the road but don't know what the 'standard' amount is and if indeed there is any standard amount of fine. Maybe someone else can help on that.
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 16th Jun 17, 11:30 AM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 11:30 AM
    Write to them and list the fines already paid and say you think this one is a duplicate/parallel one and issued in error and see what happens? Send it recorded. You could call them but then you have no record so if they tell you 'Ok We'll cancel it' and they don't, you can't prove what was said.

    I understand you can be fined up to £1,000 for having an untaxed car on the road but don't know what the 'standard' amount is and if indeed there is any standard amount of fine. Maybe someone else can help on that.
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    Fines are salary linked in court. But there is a minimum, I forget what it is top of my head.
    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 16th Jun 17, 12:52 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 12:52 PM
    I understand you can be fined up to £1,000 for having an untaxed car on the road but don't know what the 'standard' amount is and if indeed there is any standard amount of fine. Maybe someone else can help on that.
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    £1000 is the maximum fine awarded by a court, the standard amount is generally income related.

    Claims by the DVLA are generally an out of court settlement offer, not a fine, and if not accepted may result in prosecution in magistrate's court.
    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 16th Jun 17, 1:03 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 1:03 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 1:03 PM
    £1000 is the maximum fine awarded by a court, the standard amount is generally income related.
    Originally posted by Rover Driver
    So the OP received various fines in the post; how do DVLA know what the OP's income is?
    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 16th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
    So the OP received various fines in the post; how do DVLA know what the OP's income is?
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    Only a court can issue a fine, the DVLA only issue fixed penalties or 'out of court settlement offers' and claims for outstanding Vehicle Excise Duty.
    Last edited by Rover Driver; 16-06-2017 at 1:11 PM.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 16th Jun 17, 2:34 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 2:34 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 2:34 PM
    You paid a release fee and your tax

    Now you pay a fine for not taxing it

    It's extortionate I know but that's how it is and the letter is correct
    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 16th Jun 17, 3:44 PM
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    • 16th Jun 17, 3:44 PM
    You paid a release fee and your tax

    Now you pay a fine for not taxing it

    It's extortionate I know but that's how it is and the letter is correct
    Originally posted by arcon5
    No, the OP paid a fine as well of £80 and has now received a second fine.
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 16th Jun 17, 3:46 PM
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    DVLA won't stop until they get their money, they may change what they're fining you for if you make excuses, but they'll get their money one way or another.

    The enforcement side of DVLA are complete scum and they only go after easy targets, but if you register your car to a fake name/address keep it untaxed/uninsured (just say it's for religious reasons) and they don't bother chasing.
    Last edited by Strider590; 16-06-2017 at 3:48 PM.
    Having the last word isn't the same as being right.......

    "Never confuse education with intelligence"
    • Guest101
    • By Guest101 16th Jun 17, 5:03 PM
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    DVLA won't stop until they get their money, they may change what they're fining you for if you make excuses, but they'll get their money one way or another.

    The enforcement side of DVLA are complete scum and they only go after easy targets, but if you register your car to a fake name/address keep it untaxed/uninsured (just say it's for religious reasons) and they don't bother chasing.
    Originally posted by Strider590


    How has this poster got 11k posts? Surely the forum team should step in?
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 16th Jun 17, 6:10 PM
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    How has this poster got 11k posts? Surely the forum team should step in?
    Originally posted by Guest101
    What issue do you have with my post?

    It's perfectly factual, it may not be very helpful in solving the OP problem, but it may well stop them wasting time and accruing yet more fines.

    The DVLA do go after soft targets, you can guarantee if you don't insure your car, they'll be on your back in days. So why does Bradford still have more uninsured cars than anywhere else in the country?
    Because traceable, working taxing payers are easy targets.
    Last edited by Strider590; 16-06-2017 at 6:15 PM.
    Having the last word isn't the same as being right.......

    "Never confuse education with intelligence"
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 16th Jun 17, 7:08 PM
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    You can be fined every time your car is reported as not taxed.

    SO , if you were using the car it could have been picked up by a camera and reported back to DVLA.
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 16th Jun 17, 7:26 PM
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    No, the OP paid a fine as well of £80 and has now received a second fine.
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    The £164 sounds like the back tax for the period that it wasn't taxed.
    • Shoshannah
    • By Shoshannah 18th Jun 17, 2:38 AM
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    No, the OP paid a fine as well of £80 and has now received a second fine.
    Originally posted by EdGasketTheSecond
    The fines are not duplicates, unfortunately.

    £80 - failure to renew tax or declare SORN on time.

    £164 - driving an untaxed vehicle on the road.

    They are two completely separate offences. Had the OP not been driving around in the untaxed car, she would have still had the £80 fine for failure to renew, but wouldn't have incurred the £164, IYSWIM.

    Sorry OP, but all the fines you've had are 'normal' and there are well-published warnings for all on their site. I'm not being snippy, btw, just saying how it is. For what it's worth, I did exactly the same thing earlier this year!

    Hope you get it sorted.
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