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    • jmroberts314
    • By jmroberts314 15th Jun 17, 6:05 PM
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    What speed limit applies to me?
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    • 15th Jun 17, 6:05 PM
    What speed limit applies to me? 15th Jun 17 at 6:05 PM
    Hi All,

    Wonder if anyone can help. I recently (hired, but that doesn't matter), a Ford Tourneo vehicle, which has 9 seats (8 passenger, 1 driver). I have been sent a Notice of Intended Prosecution for driving at 68mph in a 70mph zone. Does anyone know if the lower speed limit (60) applies to this vehicle? I was under the impression that 8 passenger seats plus a driver = car speed limits?

    Thanks!
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    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 15th Jun 17, 6:33 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 6:33 PM
    Hi All,

    Wonder if anyone can help. I recently (hired, but that doesn't matter), a Ford Tourneo vehicle, which has 9 seats (8 passenger, 1 driver). I have been sent a Notice of Intended Prosecution for driving at 68mph in a 70mph zone. Does anyone know if the lower speed limit (60) applies to this vehicle? I was under the impression that 8 passenger seats plus a driver = car speed limits?

    Thanks!
    Originally posted by jmroberts314
    It depends on how it is classified on the V5, I think.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 15th Jun 17, 7:17 PM
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    A van which is not a car derived van = 60mph.

    Bus, Coach Minibus = 60mph.


    If under 2 tons it maybe classed as a car derived van, but a 9 seat minibus is likely to exceed 2 tons.
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    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 15th Jun 17, 7:33 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 7:33 PM
    Passenger vehicle, not more than 8 passenger seats, unladen weight under 3.05 tonnes. Motorway = 70, Dual Carriageway = 70, Other Road = 60.

    Sch.6, Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984.
    Last edited by Rover Driver; 15-06-2017 at 7:38 PM.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 15th Jun 17, 8:24 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:24 PM
    Things have changed a LOT since 1984 though.
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    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 15th Jun 17, 8:32 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:32 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:32 PM
    Things have changed a LOT since 1984 though.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    But not speed limits for vehicles of certain classes.
    • Paradigm
    • By Paradigm 15th Jun 17, 8:36 PM
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    • 15th Jun 17, 8:36 PM
    It's a car & subject to car speed limits, a minibus has to have 9-16 passenger seats.
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    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 15th Jun 17, 8:55 PM
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    It's a car & subject to car speed limits, a minibus has to have 9-16 passenger seats.
    Originally posted by Paradigm
    I think that the legal definition of a minibus is a vehicle with 8 to 16 passenger seats.

    More than 17 seats is legally a coach/bus.

    So the OP's 9-seater Tourneo is legally a minibus not a car.

    That means a 50mph speed limit on a single carriageway, 60mph on a dual-carriageway with 70mph only on a motorway.

    Plus of course all the complications of driving licence entitlement - when you passed a car test etc.

    Loads of people are driving 9-seaters with no idea that they are classed as a minibus with lower speed limits and special licence requirements.
    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 15th Jun 17, 9:00 PM
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    I think that the legal definition of a minibus is a vehicle with 8 to 16 passenger seats.

    More than 17 seats is legally a coach/bus.

    So the Op's 9-seater Tourneo is a minibus not a car.

    That means a 50mph speed limit on a single carriageway, 60mph on a dual-carriageway with 70mph only on a motorway.

    Plus of course all the complications of driving licence entitlement - when you passed a car test etc.

    Loads of people are driving 9-seaters with no idea that they are classed as a minibus with lower speed limits and special licence requirements.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    A Tourneo = 8 passenger seats + driver, so the same as a car.
    Last edited by Rover Driver; 15-06-2017 at 9:24 PM.
    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 15th Jun 17, 9:04 PM
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    A Tourneo = 8 passenger seats + driver, so the same as a car.
    Originally posted by Rover Driver
    A Tourneo = 8 passenger seats + driver, so it's a minibus.
    • Paradigm
    • By Paradigm 15th Jun 17, 9:10 PM
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    A Tourneo = 8 passenger seats + driver, so it's a minibus.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel

    No! 9-16 passenger seats is classed as a minibus anything less than 9 passengers is a car. Anything more than 16 passengers is a bus/coach.


    The OPs Tourneo is a car.
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    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 15th Jun 17, 9:12 PM
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    The minibus hire places that I have looked at all seem to agree that 9 to 17 seats (including the driver) is a minibus.

    What is the legal definition of a minibus?

    A minibus is a classed as a vehicle with between eight to sixteen passenger seats. A vehicle with over sixteen passenger seats is classed as a coach and requires a PCV D licence category. Note that manufacturers normally quote the total number of seats including the driver. So they quote and class minibuses as 9 to 17 seats. e.g 17 seater ford transit minibus has 16 passenger seats.

    Source
    What is the Legal definition of a minibus?

    Although minibuses come in different shapes, sizes and weights. The legal definition of a minibus is as follows:

    "Minibus" - a motor vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than 8 but not more than 16 seated passengers in addition to the driver.
    (Construction and Use) regulations 198

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    What is the legal definition of a minibus?

    A minibus is a classed as a vehicle with between eight to sixteen passenger seats. A vehicle with over sixteen passenger seats is classed as a coach and requires a PCV D licence category. Note that manufacturers normally quote the total number of seats including the driver. So they quote and class minibuses as 9 to 17 seats. e.g 17 seater ford transit minibus has 16 passenger seats.

    Source
    Last edited by Gloomendoom; 15-06-2017 at 9:18 PM.
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    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 15th Jun 17, 9:16 PM
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    The minibus hire places that I have looked at all seem to agree that 9 to 17 seats (including the driver) is a minibus.
    Originally posted by Gloomendoom
    They didn't write the RVR(CU), though.
    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 15th Jun 17, 9:19 PM
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    A Tourneo = 8 passenger seats + driver, so it's a minibus.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    To be a minibus, it needs to have more than 8, not more than 16 passenger seats + driver.

    Reg.3, The Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 15th Jun 17, 9:37 PM
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    If the OP hasn't seen it already, this may be in interesting read.

    http://fordtransit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=103020
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    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 15th Jun 17, 9:39 PM
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    Plus of course all the complications of driving licence entitlement - when you passed a car test etc.

    Loads of people are driving 9-seaters with no idea that they are classed as a minibus with lower speed limits and special licence requirements.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel

    Up to 8 passenger seats + driver = 'B' licence.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 15th Jun 17, 9:45 PM
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    I think that the legal definition of a minibus is a vehicle with 8 to 16 passenger seats.

    More than 17 seats is legally a coach/bus.

    So the OP's 9-seater Tourneo is legally a minibus not a car.

    That means a 50mph speed limit on a single carriageway, 60mph on a dual-carriageway with 70mph only on a motorway.

    Plus of course all the complications of driving licence entitlement - when you passed a car test etc.

    Loads of people are driving 9-seaters with no idea that they are classed as a minibus with lower speed limits and special licence requirements.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    You're not that clued up yourself.
    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 15th Jun 17, 10:02 PM
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    You're not that clued up yourself.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    You can please yourself - but I know what the traffic police think a 9 seater vehicle is.
    • Rover Driver
    • By Rover Driver 15th Jun 17, 10:08 PM
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    You can please yourself - but I know what the traffic police think a 9 seater vehicle is.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel

    A 9 seater + driver will be a minibus.


    If you see the link in post 15, even some traffic police don't know the difference.
    Last edited by Rover Driver; 15-06-2017 at 10:12 PM.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 15th Jun 17, 10:14 PM
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    You can please yourself - but I know what the traffic police think a 9 seater vehicle is.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    If you include the driver not a minibus.
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