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    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 8:36 PM
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    Do I have to go to the job centre to continue getting HB?
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    • 14th Jun 17, 8:36 PM
    Do I have to go to the job centre to continue getting HB? 14th Jun 17 at 8:36 PM
    For the last 3 years the council have been using miscellaneous income to calculate my housing benefit.

    My income is less than the applicable amount that they use to calculate housing benefit.

    I recently received a letter from the council saying that they think I can't live on my income, and that I might have some other source of income.

    But I am perfectly capable of living on that amount as I am very frugal. And I don't have any other source of income, as they are suggesting.

    The letter says that I should go to the job centre immediately, and that they will suspend my claim in a month if I don't provide evidence that I did so.

    What I want to know is, is this true? Do I have to go to the job centre?

    Or is this merely their suggestion worded strongly enough to make it seem like it's the only option?

    Is going to the job centre the only way that they'll continue with my claim?

    The reason I ask is because I may be able to increase my income so that it's at the applicable amount. However I don't see why they have an issue with the amount, since it is low enough. If it was from a part time job I'm sure they wouldn't be bothered. I think they just want me to get a job. But I am perfectly happy with my income, which comes from selling goods on ebay.

    And what's their issue anyway? Is it that I have not sought work for so long (I know that you don't have to have a job to get HB)? Or is it that my income is lower than the applicable amount?
    Last edited by Harry Benny; 14-06-2017 at 8:40 PM.
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    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 14th Jun 17, 8:43 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 8:43 PM
    Yes you do need to attend the job centre if requested
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    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 8:47 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 8:47 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 8:47 PM
    Why?

    I am not a burden on the job centre. I would think that would be considered a good thing.

    Besides, as I say I may be able to increase my income so that it's at the applicable amount.

    Why should the council care where my income comes from?
    Last edited by Harry Benny; 14-06-2017 at 8:59 PM.
    • w06
    • By w06 14th Jun 17, 9:11 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:11 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:11 PM
    because by earning just enough you're costing the council your rent
    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 9:17 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:17 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:17 PM
    But that's the whole point of HB. To pay your rent if your income is low.
    • Topcat1982
    • By Topcat1982 14th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
    Just take your bank statements in for all your accounts and your tax return.
    • GwylimT
    • By GwylimT 14th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
    But that's the whole point of HB. To pay your rent if your income is low.
    Originally posted by Harry Benny
    Your income is low because you actively choose not to work, the council are having to fund your choice. Your situation is vastly different to someone on a low wage.
    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 9:36 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:36 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:36 PM
    My income is a bit lower than the applicable amount. If my income came from a job I'm pretty sure they'd have no issue.
    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 9:38 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:38 PM
    Topcat,

    I did. Their letter is in response.

    I don't see what their problem is. I do have an income, but it's just not from a job. Why should they care about that?
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 14th Jun 17, 9:39 PM
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    Do you have a disability Harry, or is there any other reason you cannot work?

    (Must not suggest wind up!)
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 14th Jun 17, 9:40 PM
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    I recently received a letter from the council saying that they think I can't live on my income, and that I might have some other source of income.

    And what's their issue anyway?
    Originally posted by Harry Benny
    Their issue is that they suspect that you may be earning money that you are not declaring.

    You have to prove that you are living off your tiny income if you want to continue to receive taxpayers' money.
    • dippy3103
    • By dippy3103 14th Jun 17, 9:44 PM
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    Can you not increase your income enough to pay your own rent as well as live? Then they won't require anything of you.
    • Topcat1982
    • By Topcat1982 14th Jun 17, 9:51 PM
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    Topcat,

    I did. Their letter is in response.
    Originally posted by Harry Benny
    What other proof do they require then? Perhaps you could phone up and ask them before you go in.
    • Xbigman
    • By Xbigman 14th Jun 17, 9:53 PM
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    The council, and thus the council tax payers are subsidising your lifestyle. If you are only 'working' a few hours a week you need to sign on and look for work on the other days and support yourself.

    My own council (South Glos) has a catch all rule about intentionally depriving yourself of income. If I resigned my job and tried to live off my pension and claim a council tax reduction I would be refused as I had deprived myself of the income from my job. If I get sacked I can claim for the first year but in the second year I would be asked to attend the Jobcentre to claim any applicable benefits. Although my pension income would stop any benefits being paid (by the jobcentre) I then have to look for work to remain signed onto JSA and get the CTR. The council have no problem with me working for a low income or with me being unemployed. They have a problem with subsidising my choosing not to work.
    Now if you are working 30+ hours a week and pay national insurance and can prove it then you are a low paid worker and the council can't force you to sign on. In any other circumstance you won't be getting housing benefit for much longer.




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    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 9:54 PM
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    Can you not increase your income enough to pay your own rent as well as live? Then they won't require anything of you.
    Originally posted by dippy3103
    One could ask the same of anyone with a part time job. Why do they care so much that my income doesn't come from a job? Working for an employer isn't the only way to make money.

    I have shown them where my income comes from and they are not disputing it.

    I'm trying to understand precisely what their issue is. I have an income, and it's just a bit lower than the applicable amount.

    I suspect that they are uncomfortable because I don't fit into their preconceived ideas of what is legit and what is not. Lots of people are self employed, I happen to be one of them.

    I'm sure they'd have no problems if I was making the exact same money from a part time job.
    • Xbigman
    • By Xbigman 14th Jun 17, 9:54 PM
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    And if you don'y pay any NI, what are you going to do about a pension.


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    • dippy3103
    • By dippy3103 14th Jun 17, 10:11 PM
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    One could ask the same of anyone with a part time job. Why do they care so much that my income doesn't come from a job? Working for an employer isn't the only way to make money.

    I have shown them where my income comes from and they are not disputing it.

    I'm trying to understand precisely what their issue is. I have an income, and it's just a bit lower than the applicable amount.

    I suspect that they are uncomfortable because I don't fit into their preconceived ideas of what is legit and what is not. Lots of people are self employed, I happen to be one of them.

    I'm sure they'd have no problems if I was making the exact same money from a part time job.
    Originally posted by Harry Benny
    But they suspect you have more of an income.. why would you not sign on if you didn't?

    Why can't you increase your income like you indicated? Become self sufficient. HB comes from the same pot as centrally paid benefits.

    Unless of course you are a troll?
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 14th Jun 17, 10:12 PM
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    But they suspect you have more of an income.. why would you not sign on if you didn't?

    Why can't you increase your income like you indicated? Become self sufficient. HB comes from the same pot as centrally paid benefits.

    Unless of course you are a troll?
    Originally posted by dippy3103
    His style of writing seems very familiar.
    • Harry Benny
    • By Harry Benny 14th Jun 17, 10:17 PM
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    Why can't you increase your income like you indicated? Become self sufficient. HB comes from the same pot as centrally paid benefits.
    Originally posted by dippy3103
    I can probably increase my income slightly, but increasing it to the level where I can pay the rent, no. Just like someone with an employer can't just decide one day to increase their income to whatever they want it to be.

    If I was making the exact same amount from a job, they would have no issue, and I know from experience.
    • dippy3103
    • By dippy3103 14th Jun 17, 10:46 PM
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    His style of writing seems very familiar.
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    Not just me then... ?
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