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    • shortcrust
    • By shortcrust 14th Jun 17, 8:22 PM
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    JSA when quit job - worth it?
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    • 14th Jun 17, 8:22 PM
    JSA when quit job - worth it? 14th Jun 17 at 8:22 PM
    My sister has quit her job. She's just had enough and plans to find something else. No drama as she has savings. She says she's not going to sign on for JSA because she won't get any benefit for six months as she's voluntarily unemployed.

    My question is whether there are other good reasons to sign on at this stage. I'm wondering about NI contributions, other benefits and the like. She doesn't need help with job search, CV writing etc.
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    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 14th Jun 17, 9:11 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:11 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:11 PM
    As you said, she will be penalised for leaving her job. She can sign on, but if they find out the reason she wont be getting any other benefits anyway.

    Not needing help with job search etc doesnt matter, she will still have to go through the motions if she signs on. Its part of the experience
    • Masomnia
    • By Masomnia 14th Jun 17, 9:29 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:29 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 9:29 PM
    NICs is the main one. Depending on her adviser she probably wouldn't get all that much hep anyway.

    When I signed on the woman asked me to fill out a form relating to my leaving my last job. I think I'm right in saying that they have to process it before you actually get sanctioned, but I'm not sure. On that basis she may well be in a job before they decide she shouldn't be paid anyway!
    “I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse
    • aife
    • By aife 24th Jun 17, 10:18 PM
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    • 24th Jun 17, 10:18 PM
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    • 24th Jun 17, 10:18 PM
    I thought it was 13 weeks if you left your job ? (seriously considering quitting mine)
    I would sign on anyway , she doesn't know how long it will take to find a job , and even when she does, some employers , e.g. the NHS , can take months to process appointments . And then you've got a month until you get your first wage
    • DevilsMoJo
    • By DevilsMoJo 27th Jun 17, 12:13 AM
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    • 27th Jun 17, 12:13 AM
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    • 27th Jun 17, 12:13 AM
    Yeah, anyone quitting their job is penalised but employers aren't penalised for making employees redundant.
    • TyreLever
    • By TyreLever 28th Jun 17, 8:09 AM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 8:09 AM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 8:09 AM
    Yeah, anyone quitting their job is penalised but employers aren't penalised for making employees redundant.
    Originally posted by DevilsMoJo
    This is why I lie. I have quite jobs a couple of times and told the JC that I was made redundant, end of contract or whatever. They never bothered to look into it. JobCenters really need to understand that many jobs are unacceptably crap and therefore, no sanctions should be issued for people who quit in such circumstances.
    Dont know if I'd get away with it nowadays tho, been a few years since I was on JSA.
    • marlot
    • By marlot 28th Jun 17, 8:24 AM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 8:24 AM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 8:24 AM
    This is why I lie. I have quite jobs a couple of times and told the JC that I was made redundant, end of contract or whatever....
    Originally posted by TyreLever
    I had to show my redundancy agreement.
    • TadleyBaggie
    • By TadleyBaggie 28th Jun 17, 9:03 AM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 9:03 AM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 9:03 AM
    I had to show my redundancy agreement.
    Originally posted by marlot
    Same here, this was in 2010.
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 28th Jun 17, 1:00 PM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 1:00 PM
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    • 28th Jun 17, 1:00 PM
    Won an appeal of a 4 week sanction back in 2013 for leaving a 5 week job as I actually followed the process to do so, even though days later I would get another job. Just out of principle as it was the government that installed the 24 months from 12 months easy enough to get rid of an new employee why shouldn't it work both ways.

    I know of an employer that has a habit of stringing out the whole passing probation for as long as possible so they don't really want to rise someone's salary thus breaking their own contractual clause, wonder how the likes of that goes down.

    Anyway, Fortunately or un, I now live in a universal credit area not JSA - another thing to be wary off when deciding is it worth it.
    "If you are caught in a rainstorm, once you accept that you'll receive a soaking, the only thing left to do is enjoy the walk"
    • TyreLever
    • By TyreLever 29th Jun 17, 1:37 AM
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    I had to show my redundancy agreement.
    Originally posted by marlot
    Dont think I ever had a redundancy agreement from any jobs that I did get laid off.

    How do the rules work if you quit a long term job you dont like, go to a temp job and then sign on the dole after completing the temp job? Do they still look at it as if you deliberately made yourself redundant?
    • Xbigman
    • By Xbigman 29th Jun 17, 4:14 AM
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    Dont think I ever had a redundancy agreement from any jobs that I did get laid off.

    How do the rules work if you quit a long term job you dont like, go to a temp job and then sign on the dole after completing the temp job? Do they still look at it as if you deliberately made yourself redundant?
    Originally posted by TyreLever
    This used to be the standard way around the rules. Its tighter now. I don't know anyone who's tried this for a while.



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    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 29th Jun 17, 11:48 AM
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    This used to be the standard way around the rules. Its tighter now. I don't know anyone who's tried this for a while.



    Darren
    Originally posted by Xbigman
    They ask you for your employment history in the pastt 6 months. Any job you left voluntary in that time, you will face a sanction
    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 4th Jul 17, 12:22 AM
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    They ask you for your employment history in the pastt 6 months. Any job you left voluntary in that time, you will face a sanction
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    And unless it was cash in hand HMRC will rat you out.
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