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    • antdon
    • By antdon 14th Jun 17, 3:23 PM
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    Anyone been on a Red Light Awareness course
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    • 14th Jun 17, 3:23 PM
    Anyone been on a Red Light Awareness course 14th Jun 17 at 3:23 PM
    Dont know whether to do the awareness course for £80
    Or just accepth the £100 and 3 points.

    I am unwell at the moment.. On a slow phased return to work (currently 4 hrs/day)
    So, the prospect of going to work and the having to attend the course is a little overwhelming...

    The couse would be in Birkenhead... Has anyone done it? And how bad was it?
    Birkenhead quotes 3 1/2 hrs...

    Any help or comments would be welcome
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    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 14th Jun 17, 3:32 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 3:32 PM
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    I'd make an effort to go to the course, because:

    1. It's cheaper than the points (depending on where it is)
    2. It means you don't get 3 points (so are 3 points further away from a ban)
    3. You might actually learn something.

    If you're not up to sitting in a classroom for 3.5 hours, then you can ask them about other options, but they may query if you're fit to drive.
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 14th Jun 17, 3:37 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 3:37 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 3:37 PM
    I don't know about the specific course but I understood that you usually have something like 6 months from the date of the offence to book and attend the course. So hopefully you can return to full health and then attend.
    • antdon
    • By antdon 14th Jun 17, 4:04 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 4:04 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 4:04 PM
    thanks for the quick replies
    my problem is I don't know how long my condition is likely to last, it could conceivably become worse.
    if I don't attend the course, later on, because I am seriously ill would they offer you the three points and £100 fine again or would they want to find you £1,000
    • debtdebt
    • By debtdebt 14th Jun 17, 4:08 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 4:08 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 4:08 PM
    Sitting in the course for 3.5 hours whilst drinking coffee, eating biscuits and listening has surely got to be less taxing than a 4 hour shift in work? What is it that you do?
    • antdon
    • By antdon 14th Jun 17, 4:11 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 4:11 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 4:11 PM
    I am an electrician
    the course would have to take place after my day's work

    So, a 11.5 hr day...
    I am currently really struggling with a 4 hr day
    Last edited by antdon; 14-06-2017 at 4:21 PM.
    • debtdebt
    • By debtdebt 14th Jun 17, 5:40 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 5:40 PM
    In that case, take the points, pay the £100 fine and pay the increase in insurance premiums for the next 5 years then.
    • davemorton
    • By davemorton 14th Jun 17, 5:40 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 5:40 PM
    Take a days holiday?
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    • surfsister
    • By surfsister 14th Jun 17, 5:52 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 5:52 PM
    they often run on Saturdays
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 14th Jun 17, 6:45 PM
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    I don't know about the specific course but I understood that you usually have something like 6 months from the date of the offence to book and attend the course. So hopefully you can return to full health and then attend.
    Originally posted by Johno100
    He doesn't have anywhere near that time, it must be completed within a tight time frame to allow a court date to be set if he fails to attend.
    • deaston
    • By deaston 15th Jun 17, 7:05 AM
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    I didn't know such an awareness course existed. I'm assuming they're largely full of cyclists?
    • wongataa
    • By wongataa 15th Jun 17, 8:16 AM
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    I didn't know such an awareness course existed. I'm assuming they're largely full of cyclists?
    Originally posted by deaston
    Probably not considering the amount of motor vehicles I see jumping red lights.
    • deaston
    • By deaston 15th Jun 17, 9:32 AM
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    Probably not considering the amount of motor vehicles I see jumping red lights.
    Originally posted by wongataa
    How odd. I very rarely see cars jumping red lights but see cyclists do it several times a day.

    At worst, I see cars go through on amber or just as it changes to red, but bikes sail through when the light has been red for some time. And as a pedestrian I've nearly been hit by red-light jumping cyclists on a few occasions.
    • Retrogamer
    • By Retrogamer 15th Jun 17, 10:32 AM
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    In that case, take the points, pay the £100 fine and pay the increase in insurance premiums for the next 5 years then.
    Originally posted by debtdebt
    It doesn't always increase the premium with just 3 points. Didn't for me.

    How odd. I very rarely see cars jumping red lights but see cyclists do it several times a day.

    At worst, I see cars go through on amber or just as it changes to red, but bikes sail through when the light has been red for some time. And as a pedestrian I've nearly been hit by red-light jumping cyclists on a few occasions.
    Originally posted by deaston
    It depends on location.
    When i'm in the city, most cars stop for red because of cameras near the lights. Cyclists often don't

    Out of the city in smaller towns and villages, it's always the opposite. Cyclists stopping for red lights but motorists just flooring it through, even if it's at red!

    Out of the city i probably see about 20 cars go through red lights for each cyclist i see doing it, if not more.
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 15th Jun 17, 12:16 PM
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    I didn't know there was such a thing as a Red Light Awareness Course - maybe it's only an option in areas where it's more common (or there are enough cameras to catch people).
    It depends on location.
    When i'm in the city, most cars stop for red because of cameras near the lights. Cyclists often don't

    Out of the city in smaller towns and villages, it's always the opposite. Cyclists stopping for red lights but motorists just flooring it through, even if it's at red!

    Out of the city i probably see about 20 cars go through red lights for each cyclist i see doing it, if not more.
    Originally posted by Retrogamer
    How odd. I very rarely see cars jumping red lights but see cyclists do it several times a day.

    At worst, I see cars go through on amber or just as it changes to red, but bikes sail through when the light has been red for some time. And as a pedestrian I've nearly been hit by red-light jumping cyclists on a few occasions.
    Originally posted by deaston
    In Central London - I definitely agree with deaston - the most recent occasion being less than four hours ago...
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    • Herzlos
    • By Herzlos 15th Jun 17, 12:31 PM
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    It doesn't always increase the premium with just 3 points. Didn't for me.
    Originally posted by Retrogamer
    No, but it might with 6, and by taking the 3 points you're a step closer.
    • Teapot55
    • By Teapot55 15th Jun 17, 12:40 PM
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    It could be that you can ask the people who sent you the letter about the course for advice.

    Tiredness when you are recovering is a real problem and you need to take things slowly.

    Tell them of your particular problem, ie that your working hours need to be limited on medical advice.

    'Sitting around' on a course is always more tiring than a person's regular work, especially if you are used to being active & on the go, and also because it is different from your usual day and needs more concentration.

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    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 15th Jun 17, 3:55 PM
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    Telling them that work and driving are making you tired, may end up with you justifying to the nice chaps at DVLA in Swansea that you are fit to drive. Chatting with GOsafe or other safety camera partnerships isn't going to change the choices that the OP has. Personally if it were me, I would take the course. After all what if you missed a NSL sign and got done for driving 52mph in a 30? You'd likely be on 9 points then. Now THAT would make a difference.

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    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 15th Jun 17, 5:48 PM
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    I've taught hundreds of people to drive - a few had "learning difficulties", some others were just dim. NONE of them were unaware of the meaning of a red light. All of them readily understood, after a little instruction, what the other light combinations meant.

    How can this course possibly last 3.5 hours?
    • rudekid48
    • By rudekid48 15th Jun 17, 6:15 PM
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    I've been on one of those courses. You sure it's Birkenhead and not Ellesmere Port?

    The course covers a range of offences; not just traffic lights. Most of the people on my course had been caught using their phone.

    The course itself is quite relaxed and I did learn a few things. Definitely better than the points.
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