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    • fwor
    • By fwor 13th Jun 17, 2:12 PM
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    Replacing a HUDL 1
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    Replacing a HUDL 1 13th Jun 17 at 2:12 PM
    For three years I've been using an original Hudl as an additional instrument display in my van, showing extra data such as coolant temp, GPS-correct speed, engine boost and load stats.

    Unfortunately the battery on the Hudl is at the end of its life - it now discharges quicker than the USB charger port can keep up. I've already done one battery change and I don't want to do another (because I strongly suspect that the "new" Hudl batteries on Ebay are just recovered from old Hudls like mine).

    But - what current model to replace it with? It must be a 7" model because nothing bigger will fit the space, and it must be Android Jelly Bean or later and have GPS built-in (which I think rules out an Amazon Fire 7 HD) and it needs to be reasonably good display definition and brightness. Budget is around £70-80. Problem is that there are loads of relatively low-spec ones by companies I've never heard of like Prestigio and Linx - but I've no idea if they are any good or not.

    Anyone have any recommendations?
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    • ballyblack
    • By ballyblack 13th Jun 17, 2:26 PM
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    Lenovo 7"

    Basic tablet but well built, not sure about GPS though?

    Some of the old Nexus 7 had GPS if you can locate one?


    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Tab-3-Essential-7-Inch-LED-1-3GHz-1GB-16GB-Android-Tablet-Black-Argos-/352018218673?hash=item51f5ebbeb1:g:LbEAAOSwYlRZLxo J
    Last edited by ballyblack; 13-06-2017 at 2:30 PM.
    • fwor
    • By fwor 13th Jun 17, 2:51 PM
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    The availability of GPS built-in is a problem, because quite often it's not even stated in the spec.

    Thanks - the Lenovo's screen is quite low res (much lower than the Hudl), but it would probably be adequate if it's bright enough.

    I'd like a Nexus 7 (which I'm fairly sure does have GPS, and also a great screen) but even secondhand ones four years old are still outside my budget, and I don't want a replacement which is that old (because the battery may be on its last legs too).

    I guess the main issue is that most of the new product development has gone into tablets bigger than 7", so few decent ones have been introduced in the last couple of years.
    • BigAl94
    • By BigAl94 13th Jun 17, 3:18 PM
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    • 13th Jun 17, 3:18 PM
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    This will do your job perfectly and has GPS. I keep one on my boat just to run navigation maps and other related apps. http://www.argos.co.uk/product/4590224
    I have always found Lenovo to be good value products.
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 13th Jun 17, 3:27 PM
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    I replaced the battery on my wife's Hudl with one off eBay (about a fiver IIRC), following instructions on YouTube. Easy job. Battery plugs in. Case is a bit tricky to split due to very tight "seam" that's difficlt to get a spudger in, but otherwise a ten minute job.
    I just read your post properly! you've already changed the battery!

    The battery I fitted is supposedly new and OEM and works OK! It wasn't he cheapest on there.
    Last edited by Jackmydad; 13-06-2017 at 3:29 PM.
    • fwor
    • By fwor 13th Jun 17, 4:26 PM
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    The battery I fitted is supposedly new and OEM and works OK!
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    Yeah - the supposedly new replacement battery that I put in was not hard to do, but unlike the original, it died suddenly. I've put the original battery back but it's on borrowed time...

    The situation with Hudl 1 batteries seems to have changed recently and they are getting less common and more expensive - presumably because there are fewer dead Hudls to scavenge used parts from.

    Thanks for the Lenovo Tab 3 recs - I've got a Lenovo Yoga tablet and rate it very highly, so I guess in the absence of anything else (with a better screen) I'll go with that.

    Having said that, I'm not that enthusiastic about a "Refurbished" model, because I know what "refurbishing" involves (take it out the box, turn it on - if it powers up Ok, give it a wipe over and put back in the box. Voila - one "refurbished" tablet!).
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 13th Jun 17, 7:06 PM
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    I know what "refurbishing" involves (take it out the box, turn it on - if it powers up Ok, give it a wipe over and put back in the box. Voila - one "refurbished" tablet!).
    Originally posted by fwor
    I wish it was that simple, i refurbished tablets until 3 years ago when i had to give it up due to bad arthritis in my hands
    • fwor
    • By fwor 13th Jun 17, 8:45 PM
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    I wasn't being entirely serious, but the problem with refurbs is that they will not find intermittent issues.

    The Hudl was a case in point as that was a "refurb" - the first one I got worked Ok for a few hours and then went crazy. The replacement worked Ok but the battery was marginal even when I first got it.
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 13th Jun 17, 9:01 PM
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    • 13th Jun 17, 9:01 PM
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    • 13th Jun 17, 9:01 PM
    Yeah - the supposedly new replacement battery that I put in was not hard to do, but unlike the original, it died suddenly. I've put the original battery back but it's on borrowed time...

    The situation with Hudl 1 batteries seems to have changed recently and they are getting less common and more expensive - presumably because there are fewer dead Hudls to scavenge used parts from.

    Thanks for the Lenovo Tab 3 recs - I've got a Lenovo Yoga tablet and rate it very highly, so I guess in the absence of anything else (with a better screen) I'll go with that.

    Having said that, I'm not that enthusiastic about a "Refurbished" model, because I know what "refurbishing" involves (take it out the box, turn it on - if it powers up Ok, give it a wipe over and put back in the box. Voila - one "refurbished" tablet!).
    Originally posted by fwor
    All due respect to anyone who does decent refurbs, but I had a bad experience with other electronic gear "refurbished" some time back. Had my money back, but it's the hassle. Like you it's not for me thanks.

    I wondered how long the Hudl replacement battery supply would go on for. Pity because we have two of them, and I think for what they are they are decent bits of kit. I suppose you have to look at these things as "throw away" to some extent.
    But just because the batteries gone seems a pity.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 13th Jun 17, 10:09 PM
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    I think for what they are they are decent bits of kit.
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    Yes a good all round tablet like the Blackberry Playbook, but sadly both discontinued.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 13th Jun 17, 10:25 PM
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    I wasn't being entirely serious, but the problem with refurbs is that they will not find intermittent issues.

    The Hudl was a case in point as that was a "refurb" - the first one I got worked Ok for a few hours and then went crazy. The replacement worked Ok but the battery was marginal even when I first got it.
    Originally posted by fwor
    i never did a hudl refub. i mainly had acers and lenovo, i used to strip them down and test batteries inside and outside of devices and test all the internal wires and circuits. charging ports were the main thing that caused issues. I also created a device that i would place the table on and switch it on after a full charge and leave it to see how long it would take battery to drain, so the device i created would long the temp of the machine, the time it took to discharge
    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 13th Jun 17, 10:39 PM
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    This will do your job perfectly and has GPS. I keep one on my boat just to run navigation maps and other related apps. http://www.argos.co.uk/product/4590224
    I have always found Lenovo to be good value products.
    Originally posted by BigAl94
    I have the 8" version of that and I love it, it was to replace a Hudl2 which I have since repaired, but not got around to testing yet. Lenovo stuff is really good, my OH has a Lenovo laptop.
    There may be more than one way to skin a cat.
    But the result is always inedible.

    • ballyblack
    • By ballyblack 14th Jun 17, 8:05 AM
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    I have bought many of those so called Lenovo refurbs with no issues.

    I suspect some of them have never even being switched ON by the previous user, if there was ever a previous user? I think some of them are new but sold cheaper as a refurb maybe to gain a price advantage on the competition.

    Or to make you think you are getting a bargain in compared to retail price? , which you are
    • fwor
    • By fwor 14th Jun 17, 10:00 AM
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    I have the 8" version of that and I love it, it was to replace a Hudl2 which I have since repaired, but not got around to testing yet. Lenovo stuff is really good, my OH has a Lenovo laptop.
    Originally posted by Robisere
    I've been looking at the 8" lenovo too, because it's a higher screen resolution and it's not a ~lot~ bigger than the Hudl. It can be got with Android 6 too, which may future-proof it a bit (if the battery lasts) - though in most other respects its spec is not that great. So many to choose from...
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 14th Jun 17, 10:14 AM
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    One thing you could possibly try (as an interim) is one of those backup battery powerpack things. Treat it a bit like an external battery (since portability less of a factor for you). The one I have can supply power at a higher rate than my car usb charger.

    You might even be able to have it plugged into the usb charger at the same time, so that it is supplementing the power from the charger (in a sense).

    Other thought is that cheap car usb chargers are passive things - they just dissipate the excess voltage as heat, and have limited current output. You can probably get proper active convertors that can supply a higher current.
    • fwor
    • By fwor 14th Jun 17, 11:21 AM
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    Yes - you're right. It won't recharge at a high enough rate from one of my car chargers to keep up, and the same is true of one of the mains chargers. But an alternative car charger ~just~ keeps up.

    Possibly I could buy one of the battery banks, but in a way it would just be wasted money as the internal battery is going to get worse. Once they go below a certain point, the power controller inside the Hudl just gives up and refuses to charge them.

    Still looking at the Lenovo Tab 2 and Tab 3. The Tab 2 is a better spec, but an older version of Android, and of course a refurbed one will have an older battery...
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 14th Jun 17, 12:16 PM
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    I have bought many of those so called Lenovo refurbs with no issues.

    I suspect some of them have never even being switched ON by the previous user, if there was ever a previous user? I think some of them are new but sold cheaper as a refurb maybe to gain a price advantage on the competition.

    Or to make you think you are getting a bargain in compared to retail price? , which you are
    Originally posted by ballyblack
    the call them refurbs, but some are just store returns 'i have changed my mind' or ' i cant figure it out' i remember once getting a box of 100 from littlewoods and 40% of them still have the protective cellophane on them and boxes has the store returns label on and some stated reason for return ' too small', but because they had been opened and seal broken they could not be resold, so they were sold in bulk to clearance houses
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