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    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 1:05 PM
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    ESA and Part time study
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    • 12th Jun 17, 1:05 PM
    ESA and Part time study 12th Jun 17 at 1:05 PM
    Hello

    I am looking for factual guidance

    I have been physically disabled for nearly seven years. I have a rare form of illness, making it harder to decipher what my future holds for me in physical form. Somehow, my body is giving me a break, instead of everyday in pain, it has plateaued. I can now concentrate on giving back and re-education is needed. I am also near completion of levelling out my mental health due to my pysical health.

    My previous occupation was Hair and Beauty, I can no longer do that. I am also, a one parent family, I can no longer work those hours to bring in the wage needed to provide for my children. Due to my physical disability still present, I need a wage that will cover the cost of daily living, with hours that are sustainable, due to this illness.

    I would like to return to work for eight hours a week and apply to an Open University or University, to study part time. In an ideal situation, I would like to be working part time and studying full, to enable me to move through life quicker and achieve what is needed at a faster pace, this is not feasible. This would not be physically possible or sustainable.

    Does anyone have any information that could assist me in achieving this?

    Kind regards
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    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
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    I missed a H.

    *h
    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 12th Jun 17, 1:44 PM
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    • 12th Jun 17, 1:44 PM
    Hello

    I am looking for factual guidance

    I have been physically disabled for nearly seven years. I have a rare form of illness, making it harder to decipher what my future holds for me in physical form. Somehow, my body is giving me a break, instead of everyday in pain, it has plateaued. I can now concentrate on giving back and re-education is needed. I am also near completion of levelling out my mental health due to my pysical health.

    My previous occupation was Hair and Beauty, I can no longer do that. I am also, a one parent family, I can no longer work those hours to bring in the wage needed to provide for my children. Due to my physical disability still present, I need a wage that will cover the cost of daily living, with hours that are sustainable, due to this illness.

    I would like to return to work for eight hours a week and apply to an Open University or University, to study part time. In an ideal situation, I would like to be working part time and studying full, to enable me to move through life quicker and achieve what is needed at a faster pace, this is not feasible. This would not be physically possible or sustainable.

    Does anyone have any information that could assist me in achieving this?

    Kind regards
    Originally posted by Elise3
    I am not sure what information you are looking for.

    If you are on ESA which group are you in? WRAG/Support? Are you getting any help with work related activities? Do you have a work coach? Do you receive PIP or DLA?

    Did you know that you can do Permitted Work and claim ESA with no loss of any benefits? Google to find out more.

    As regards university or open university which courses would you be interested in? You could study with the Open University with no effect on any benefits.

    Perhaps you could give us an idea of the kind of thing you would be interested in?
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 2:19 PM
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    I'm wanting to know, can I still claim ESA if I study through Open University or can I still claim ESA if I attend a University. Would I be able to volunteer eight hours a week in a work placement that is relevant to the course and claim what I still need, until I am in a position to support my family and I. I would like to study psychiatry and work from home as I'd like to earn my own wage, taking into account this disability.
    I'm in the support group. I've lost trust in people. A person whom I thought was a friend, who works for the DWP, sexually blackmailed me for the information, then told me I would be entitled to...fa. His words... when I declined. Which has set me back a little, hence me asking, here and now. The field I would like to work in, requires degrees, I'm unsure if permitted work would be the right choice, unless it was relevant to the course. I've Googled alot. I'd like solid advice based on facts. I receive PIP
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 2:30 PM
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    I've lost trust in some people, is what I should of put. I'm unsure how to edit. When I press the edit button, it won't let me edit.
    • w06
    • By w06 12th Jun 17, 2:30 PM
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    Psychiatry requires a medical degree, that would be a huge investment (5 years as an undergraduate) and not a course that it's usually possible to do part time.

    Whatever the course univeristy is a very expensive option. Have you looked at vocational, non-university training? You may find something that peeks your interest and would allow you to earn whilst you learned
    • w06
    • By w06 12th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 12th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
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    • 12th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
    there are also places like Coursera https://www.coursera.org/ where you can study short courses for free to broaden your skill mix, these are generally free unless you want a certificate
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 2:58 PM
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    Yes it is a big investment. Possible is what I'm looking for and investing my time in. I've already looked at Coursera. My skills are broad enough. I'm qualified in hair, beauty and holistic therapies, childminding and I've done my NEBOSH. All these skills require physical fitness to an extent I cannot give. I'm looking to re-educate in a field where my mind can do all the work. It is expensive, an investment that will work well all round due to the taxes I will be expecting to pay from what my potential earnings could be. I'm not looking for a peek of interest, I'm looking for a sustainable career
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 12th Jun 17, 3:02 PM
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    • 12th Jun 17, 3:02 PM
    I'm not sure you understand what psychiatry is. Your training would require placements in all areas of medicine, and will require physical stamina. Even once qualified it would be many years until you could work from home.

    Do you mean psychotherapy or counselling?

    What level of qualification do you have currently?
    • w06
    • By w06 12th Jun 17, 3:10 PM
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    Most fields of medicine equally require physically fitness.

    All doctors are required to have basic general medical and surgical competencies which means that none of the undergraduate or foundation (first 2 years post graduate) competencies can be excluded regardless of final career plans.
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 3:15 PM
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    *physical.

    Thankyou for your time
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 3:23 PM
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    I don't think you understand my question IamWales. Thankyou for your time
    • Loanranger
    • By Loanranger 12th Jun 17, 3:28 PM
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    What do you think psychiatry is? I think you may be mixing it up with something else.
    Please help us to help you by saying what you think the work of a psychiatrist is.
    • w06
    • By w06 12th Jun 17, 3:33 PM
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    Elise, I'm not sure any of us can help if you're saying that you need a job less physically demanding than hair and beauty with family friendly hours that would be manageable with your disability, and hten saying that you want to be a psychiatrist that works from home.


    I'm all for having high expectations and goals of success but;
    assuming you already have the entrance requirements for medicine, It would be:

    a minimum of 5 years as a medicine undergraduate (unpaid long hours), 2 years foundation training (20-30k less long hours than a decade ago but not short)
    6 years post grad specialty psychiatry training. long hours lots of travel, little choice where you work in the country

    If you did it all full time.

    Before you'd be able to practice psychiatry from home, and actually considerably more because a private practice requires a clinical consultant reputation first.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 12th Jun 17, 3:47 PM
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    A psychiatrist is a doctor , medical degrees cannot be done part time or remotely and getting into medical school is very difficult.


    I don't know what criteria they use nowadays, but my school friend ,who eventually became a consultant paediatrician, had to wait two years as she only had two As and a B at A level. (I am almost sure that you still need Physics,Chemistry and Biology A levels as a minimum)
    Last edited by teddysmum; 12-06-2017 at 3:51 PM.
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 3:52 PM
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    Thankyou w06. I've read your reply, I appreciate your input. I have an Auntie who has the same background as I do, she managed with six children, no disability though. She is now a forensic psychologist. I did not want to take her time up, as she is busy with a newborn. I always find my way, when I don't, I go another route

    Do you know if I could go to University and claim ESA? Given the info I have posted
    • nannytone
    • By nannytone 12th Jun 17, 4:06 PM
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    a psychologist is not a psychiatrist. totally different things, so even speaking to your aunt would give you no insight into what qua;affections you would need.

    you wouldn't be attending university, but would need to attend medical school.

    no one can advise you when you don't seem sure what you are actually asking yourself
    • Elise3
    • By Elise3 12th Jun 17, 4:44 PM
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    The input of dedication was my comparison. Thankyou nannytone.

    Could someone advise me if I could claim ESA and go to University? Open or not.

    I would be very grateful for this input. I have good medical professionals behind me. I would like though, to find out what I need to know now, then do the rest from there. It would be greatly appreciated and used wisely with thought and attention to detail. As to the next step I take, if I cannot, I'll go another route
    I apologise if I seem unsure
    • Loanranger
    • By Loanranger 12th Jun 17, 4:52 PM
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    a psychologist is not a psychiatrist. totally different things, so even speaking to your aunt would give you no insight into what qua;affections you would need.

    you wouldn't be attending university, but would need to attend medical school.

    no one can advise you when you don't seem sure what you are actually asking yourself
    Originally posted by nannytone
    Nannytone is correct. A psychologist is not a psychiatrist. The British Psychological Society can give you info on what the work and training entails.
    bps.org.uk
    Sorry I can't help with your benefits question.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 12th Jun 17, 4:58 PM
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    You can study with OU whilst on ESA. You should declare the improvement in your condition to the DWP. You can do voluntary work on ESA, but work experience would need to be declared and approved.

    Get an idea of what you want to do and then call OU for advice on the best path to take. You do need to be realistic, and given what you've said I doubt anything in mental health would be appropriate for you at present. Get some input from your medical professionals before committing to expensive study.

    (For reference, a forensic psychologist would require a BPS accredited degree, an appropriate Masters, and two years clinical supervision. Given the nature of your patients, it is definitely not something you could do from home!)
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