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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 11th Jun 17, 1:10 PM
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    Neighbours ball damaging fence.
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    • 11th Jun 17, 1:10 PM
    Neighbours ball damaging fence. 11th Jun 17 at 1:10 PM
    So I'm in a situation where the neighbors at the rear, children and father, pound a heavy football against the fence. Its my mothers property.

    Its been agitating her, and has caused damage to the fence. There's a bench at the back where she likes to sit, now she can't do that without the fence sounding like someones taken a hammer to it.

    I'll be checking the deeds on Monday to see who owns the fence. I'll take pictures of the damage, and then knock on the door and politely ask that they stop, as they have damaged the fence and are causing agitation.

    Failing that, it will have to be a solicitors letter. I'd rather it didn't go that far.

    Any shared experience on a similar matter or additional things I could do would be appreciated.
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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 7th Jul 17, 8:56 PM
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    Right, this is still going on and Im fuming. Another ball has come over and its damaged plants. Right now, he says one thing to me and I might get a bit angry.

    Thinking of writing a letter to keep it polite and to the point, followed by another letter saying 'if it continues, I'll be forced to take legal action.'

    Right now if I speak with him a lot of anger is going to come up, which could be detrimental, I'm not always around to look at my mums property.

    Any advice appreciated.
    • SuboJvR
    • By SuboJvR 7th Jul 17, 11:00 PM
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    Right, this is still going on and Im fuming. Another ball has come over and its damaged plants. Right now, he says one thing to me and I might get a bit angry.

    Thinking of writing a letter to keep it polite and to the point, followed by another letter saying 'if it continues, I'll be forced to take legal action.'

    Right now if I speak with him a lot of anger is going to come up, which could be detrimental, I'm not always around to look at my mums property.

    Any advice appreciated.
    Originally posted by PhilE
    When they come over, can you/your mum just ignore them until they ask for them back? If they go some time without being able to play then they may just get bored of waiting/fed up of buying new balls.
    • Riggyman
    • By Riggyman 7th Jul 17, 11:44 PM
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    I assume the ball will have mysteriously burst before it is returned?
    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 8th Jul 17, 1:57 AM
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    When they come over, can you/your mum just ignore them until they ask for them back? If they go some time without being able to play then they may just get bored of waiting/fed up of buying new balls.
    Originally posted by SuboJvR
    They put 2 balls in my mums garden tonight, 2 balls a few days back. They usually average 4 balls per week, sometimes more. Thats about £50 worth.

    My mums in her 70's and cant throw them over a 6 foot fence, so they are sitting in her garden tucked away.

    Went down the local police station tonight, and asked to speak with a PSCO. Explained the situation, the receptionist was helpful and said that as its a safety issue they'll have to look into it, the likely outcome being they'll go round and have a chat with him to stop.

    It would be very easy in this situation for me to have a go at him, but right now the law is in my favor. If I loose my cool that might not be the case so much. Very important to remember that in these situations.

    A walls definitely going up ASAP though. Big tree also.
    Last edited by PhilE; 08-07-2017 at 2:06 AM.
    • Mickygg
    • By Mickygg 8th Jul 17, 6:27 AM
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    OP this would annoy me also.
    Just a warning. Doing nothing could be a suggestion. Sounds odd but things like this can escalate. Putting up a tree or a wall, you might find the tree dieing or wall being damaged. It depends on the type of people your neighbours are.
    Years ago I tried to block out my neighbours through conifers. They all started to die one year all of a sudden. This wound me up even more as I'm sure the neighbours had a hand in it.

    If it was my mum on her own I would be concerned about this possibly escalating by involving police etc.

    kids will kick balls over neighbours fences, I had them in my old house all the time, one day even a cricket bat which just shows what can be thrown over!

    Good luck my advice is be weary about going too far and making things more difficult with your mum. A feud with a neighbour is horrible, I speak from experience.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 8th Jul 17, 6:38 AM
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    The conifers might have "died" (possibly killed?) because they are conifers. Leylandii, for instance, grow at the rate of 3' a year. Pretty much any neighbour is going to panic at the thought of that happening to them and the trees might mysteriously die and it wouldnt be "revenge" on the neighbour per se. It would be "preventing a problem" (ie being overshadowed/having roots growing near one's property/etc).

    A wall is just a wall and the worst it can be is one of those concrete block things - rather than a "proper" wall. So the biggest problem a wall can create is it might be an eyesore one - in which case the neighbour paints it/puts something in front of it to disguise it/tries to mentally block it out and not "see it". "Revenge" isnt taken for a wall - even an eyesore concrete block one.

    Moral of the story = put up a wall (preferably one they won't regard as eyesore and then you wonder what they would do to disguise the look of it). I can't see anyone doing anything about a normal (ie brick) wall - as long as you've carefully checked it's in the correct place.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 08-07-2017 at 6:41 AM.
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    • Mardle
    • By Mardle 8th Jul 17, 9:26 AM
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    Maybe it would be an idea to construct a pergola where she likes to sit and put netting over the top to protect her.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 8th Jul 17, 11:14 AM
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    Take down the fence. Put up "chicken wire". On your side affix a trellis with artificial ivy on it, you can get these "quite cheaply".

    That'd stop the fence being ruined.... then it's just the ball over the fence.
    You can investigate some netting that's intended for the people WITH the balls to prevent their balls annoying people so much ...
    • vic_sf49
    • By vic_sf49 8th Jul 17, 11:33 AM
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    If you temporarily lifted the fence panels out (assuming they're fitted into concrete posts), would it force the footballers to site their goal against a different boundary?

    Would they shoot towards their property perhaps?

    I hope you manage to get it sorted OP.
    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 8th Jul 17, 1:18 PM
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    OP this would annoy me also.
    Just a warning. Doing nothing could be a suggestion. Sounds odd but things like this can escalate. Putting up a tree or a wall, you might find the tree dieing or wall being damaged. It depends on the type of people your neighbours are.
    Years ago I tried to block out my neighbours through conifers. They all started to die one year all of a sudden. This wound me up even more as I'm sure the neighbours had a hand in it.

    If it was my mum on her own I would be concerned about this possibly escalating by involving police etc.

    kids will kick balls over neighbours fences, I had them in my old house all the time, one day even a cricket bat which just shows what can be thrown over!

    Good luck my advice is be weary about going too far and making things more difficult with your mum. A feud with a neighbour is horrible, I speak from experience.
    Originally posted by Mickygg
    From life long experience I can tell you that not standing up against bullies is a guarantee that it'll get worse.

    My mum should be able to hang out her clothes without fear of getting hit in the face with a ball. At her age, that could cause her to fall over and get seriously injured. They've hit her in the leg already which caused her to scream, and they continued.

    Everyone has the right to go into their garden and not have the fence pounded in a loud and aggressive manner.

    Action has to be taken, and I'm really restraining myself to not go over and have a word, because my words are going to be very direct.

    Could be far better for a police officer to go over there and have a chat. I'll also be calling the council, who must probably will be useless but always worth a try.
    Last edited by PhilE; 08-07-2017 at 1:28 PM.
    • Ulfar
    • By Ulfar 8th Jul 17, 1:57 PM
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    Chainwire fence instead of a solid fence then plants or hedge close on your side. as ther plants grow let them engulf the fence. This way it makes it no longer a viable surface to kick balls against.
    • aife
    • By aife 9th Jul 17, 1:41 AM
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    Chainwire fence instead of a solid fence then plants or hedge close on your side. as ther plants grow let them engulf the fence. This way it makes it no longer a viable surface to kick balls against.
    Originally posted by Ulfar
    That's a good suggestion but didn't the OP say the fence was actually put up by a neighbour.?

    Some people are just selfish - I used to have a problem with kids kicking a ball in the street and hitting my windows . Tried asking them not to and just got cheek , eventually went over to speak to their parents who just said , 'oh they're kids , they're just playing ...'
    The really annoying thing was they never played in front of their own building
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 9th Jul 17, 6:53 AM
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    Chainwire fence instead of a solid fence then plants or hedge close on your side. as ther plants grow let them engulf the fence. This way it makes it no longer a viable surface to kick balls against.
    Originally posted by Ulfar
    Amended to "plants of the prickly variety" - hopefully prickly enough to puncture the balls.
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    • Hedgehog99
    • By Hedgehog99 9th Jul 17, 11:54 AM
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    The brainless selfishness of parents who let their kids do this astonishes me.

    I had a whole summer of this the last world cup year. Two kids so useless in their goal-scoring skills that they missed virtually every time and my fence got it.

    Did they think to set the goal up with the brick wall behind it instead? No.

    It was so annoying, wanting to just sit and relax after work & then it would start, for hours on end.

    I would shout "mind the fence" or "if you damage the fence, you're paying for it to be repaired" sternly each time it happened, and it would stop for a bit.

    I suspect they came in to fetch their balls when I was out, but in the end I locked one away and they never asked for it back.

    Thankfully they were tenants and moved after that year. You've probably got them next to you now.

    Good luck - hope the police or the council take your valid complaints seriously.
    • m0bov
    • By m0bov 9th Jul 17, 1:09 PM
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    Having delt with EE's often, I can tell you they often simply don't see the issue and then think its an "English thing" when the letters start coming in. They then think its a racial thing and dig in. So, it might be worth while playing the long game as your mum lives there.

    Go speak to him when you see him next, start up a chit chat, the weather, holidays etc.. whatever. Then drop in the fact you mum is getting frightened with the ball, it makes her jump and your worried the ball might hit her. Would they try and avoid kicking at the fence.

    Just try and be nice and off hand about it, see what happens.

    Be warned that if push comes to shove, your mum might well be on the losing side as the police can't be their 24/7 so only escalate if you feel there is no other choice.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 9th Jul 17, 2:08 PM
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    They've hit her in the leg already which caused her to scream, and they continued.
    Originally posted by PhilE
    Technically she could call the police and say it's assault ... because it is really. That'd make them STFU.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 9th Jul 17, 8:48 PM
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    I can't see how they could reasonably think it's just a British thing. I expect we've exported football pretty much across the world - or are they making out it's a British thing to complain? I don't suppose that's true for one minute either....

    Personally - I think all of that is irrelevant and they'd get an "I don't know what you're on about" type response to any comments they made along those lines and a puzzled look put on my face.

    What I would say to them is to point out the penalties of one description or another I'd be looking for if they hurt my mother - whether I could get the police onto them/whether I could get compensation from them/etc.
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    • patman99
    • By patman99 9th Jul 17, 10:59 PM
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    The problem is that foreigners living in the UK tend to behave as though they are still in their own country.

    Remember all the issues around Polish immigrants dumping all their waste outside the front of their houses?. They did it because back in Poland that was the norm as every day the waste collector would collect the waste and take it away, so the Polish assumed it was the same over here until the local Councils started to educate them.

    In your neighbours home country it might be acceptable behavior to use a fence as a goal. Until someone in authority educates them otherwise, then they will not seeing as an issue.
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    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 10th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
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    I can't see why you think a wall will be a better option than a fence. A lot of expense and nothing to gain, unless the wall is higher than the fence?
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 10th Jul 17, 8:57 AM
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    I can't see why you think a wall will be a better option than a fence. A lot of expense and nothing to gain, unless the wall is higher than the fence?
    Originally posted by Slinky
    .....And without PP the maximum height is 2m.

    Thinking out of the box, why not offer an incentive, like a new ball every month, if none come over?

    Cheaper than a wall.
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