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    • Sots80
    • By Sots80 11th Jun 17, 8:01 AM
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    New laptop suggestions please
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    • 11th Jun 17, 8:01 AM
    New laptop suggestions please 11th Jun 17 at 8:01 AM
    Hi there
    I wonder if you can help. Our current laptop is on its last legs. My husband had found this one in pc world for £499 hp-pavilion-x360-15-bk152sa-15-6-2-in-1-red-10156908 (new user do not allowed to post links)

    However, before he buys it (he's a buy right now type, I'm a research first type!) I'm sure we could find similar specs for a better price or better specs for a similar price.

    I've had a search but I'm a bit i3/i5 and hdd/ssd overloaded. I was wondering if anyone could point us at some suggestions to look at? Our last laptop was refurbished, so long as it comes with a bit of a warranty we don't mind that.

    TIA
    Last edited by Sots80; 11-06-2017 at 8:52 AM. Reason: autocorrect!
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    • macman
    • By macman 11th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
    To paraphrase an old Irish saying, I wouldn't start from PCW. Fine for doing your research, but then buy from somewhere that has a clue and some decent after-sales service.
    Difficult to suggest anything, because you don't give us any idea what you need to do with your laptop. If it's just browsing/email/social media, then absolutely any modern laptop will do that with ease.
    Plenty of refurbs online with a 12m warranty.
    Alternatively, backup and do a factory restore on your current model and it will probably run much better.
    No free lunch, and no free laptop
    • Sots80
    • By Sots80 11th Jun 17, 10:35 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 10:35 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 10:35 AM
    Many thanks for your reply.

    We mainly use the laptop for the general surfing, emails etc. The children use it more for downloading/watching films, youtube etc, as well as the usual homework etc.

    Thanks again
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 11th Jun 17, 11:11 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:11 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:11 AM
    What is wrong with your current laptop? Does it have a model number?
    • Sots80
    • By Sots80 11th Jun 17, 11:20 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:20 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:20 AM
    Thanks for your reply, current laptop was bought refurbished a couple of years back and is a toshiba c855. It's been a bit hit and miss starting up last couple of months, sometimes gets stuck on the Toshiba screen, sometimes we just get a black screen with the mouse visible on it but nothing else and other times stats up no problems. Sometimes it's very responsive, sometimes very sluggish, it's not consistent. So we've been considering buying a new one and upgrading but have kinda just plodded on with what we had. Then a tea spillage has prompted this search! Now the laptop only works without the battery in it and the keyboard has stopped working altogether.
    • were
    • By were 11th Jun 17, 11:52 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:52 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:52 AM
    this is yours http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-x360-15-bk152sa-15-6-2-in-1-red-10156908-pdt.html @ £499

    it is very expensive for what it is. I would buy refurb instead.

    This is a better cpu @£359.99, but the screen res of 1366x768 is not as good, less memory, than your spec, but probably ok for you. Still I would not buy it, and rather get a refurb for around £200, just look at the other posts, there are loads
    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-v110-i5-6200u-4gb-ram-128gb-ssd-359-99-ebuyer-com-2714200

    People have posted better offers than this, but possibly the spec of thr otheres were not as good?
    http://www.tier1online.com/728-20a8-s0qh00-bscreen/refurbished-x1-carbon-2nd-gen-i5-4300-2560x1600-grade-b-minor-screen-blemish-barely-visible-when-in-use
    http://www.tier1online.com/728-2347a31-b/refurbished-thinkpad-t430-1600x900-8gb-240gb-ssd-i5-3320m-grade-b

    This refurb is a few percent faster (not noticeable) than yours, and the screen is not as good, older level of bluetooth, no hdmi, gain that screen res is not great, but @ £200 mark
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Windows-10-Laptop-i5-2520M-2-50GHz-4GB-Ram-250GB-Warranty-/232194704148?
    Here are there other stuff. I have no affiliation with any of the people mentioned, bur others have bought from these people and claim they were happy.
    http://stores.ebay.co.uk/cheapestlaptopdeals/

    more refurb shops
    http://stores.ebay.co.uk/technowarehouse/

    This @ £370 is a better spec in virtually every way, but the screen might be smaller (you have to check and compare the specs yourself)
    http://mcscom.co.uk/product/dell-inspiron-13-5378-2-in-1-i5-7200u-2-50ghz-16gb-1tb-13-3-fhd-touch-win-10-1yr-rtb-wty-mln518/
    • Sots80
    • By Sots80 11th Jun 17, 12:18 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 12:18 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 12:18 PM
    That's very helpful thank you very much!

    Will have a proper plough through the links you provided thank you
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 11th Jun 17, 2:50 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 2:50 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 2:50 PM
    If it is to be used at home: http://mcscom.co.uk/product/dell-inspiron-17-5767-i7-7500u-2-70ghz-16gb-1tb-radeon-r7-m445-17-3-fhd-w10h-1yr-rtb-wty-mln504-free-wallet-case-mln522/

    Though without an SSD it wouldn't be my recommendation.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 11th Jun 17, 4:32 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 4:32 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 4:32 PM
    Thanks for your reply, current laptop was bought refurbished a couple of years back and is a toshiba c855. It's been a bit hit and miss starting up last couple of months, sometimes gets stuck on the Toshiba screen, sometimes we just get a black screen with the mouse visible on it but nothing else and other times stats up no problems. Sometimes it's very responsive, sometimes very sluggish, it's not consistent. So we've been considering buying a new one and upgrading but have kinda just plodded on with what we had. Then a tea spillage has prompted this search! Now the laptop only works without the battery in it and the keyboard has stopped working altogether.
    Originally posted by Sots80
    I would take an upgrade path with an existing c855

    It seems like a software issue as well? I have recently exact Toshiba c855 upgraded with an SSD. I also have found that CPU Fan was struggling, then I have replaced with a new CPU fan (£5 at eBay)

    Brand new keyboard replacement (£9.89)

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toshiba-Satellite-Pro-C850-C850D-C855-C855D-L850-L855-L850D-Laptop-UK-Keyboard-/222389700000?hash=item33c77585a0

    A brand new SSD 250/256GB (£80)

    Battery (£20?)

    Who dropped the tea ? Let this person replace the keyboard
    It takes 5 min !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whFUbvC_rb8

    Alternatively, you may find a local decent IT engineer (or your IT hobbyist friend with pub lunch ?) Labour up to /£10 -50

    Total Cost £110-200, Thanks to an SSD, This solution is still blazingly faster than all of your brand new notebook here.

    Even you would decided to get a brand new computer, as you would save some money, it would be great if you would invest some to your Toshiba C855. (Again Toshiba C855 with an SSD is much more comfortable with a brand new computer.)
    • Neil49
    • By Neil49 11th Jun 17, 5:22 PM
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    Have a look at the Argos eBay site as they have refurbished laptops that come with a one year warranty.

    http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Argos
    • grumpycrab
    • By grumpycrab 11th Jun 17, 11:13 PM
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    I wouldn't spend any money on the C855. If you are considering a £500 spend I'd get one with an SSD (256GB rather than 128GB).
    e.g. Argos Acer (not a great fan of acer myself) but reasonable spec
    http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6555755.htm
    Last edited by grumpycrab; 11-06-2017 at 11:30 PM.
    Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature because somebody complained that the information contained within it was too helpful.
    • jshm2
    • By jshm2 11th Jun 17, 11:33 PM
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    You would be better going for an ASUS ZenBook UX310UA or Lenovo Yoga book instead.
    • Sots80
    • By Sots80 12th Jun 17, 7:11 AM
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    Many thanks for all your help. We have definitely decided against the pc world option now, just need to look properly at your other suggestions now.

    Thanks again
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 12th Jun 17, 9:11 AM
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    WAYT
    Many thanks for all your help. We have definitely decided against the pc world option now, just need to look properly at your other suggestions now.

    Thanks again
    Originally posted by Sots80
    This one covers all bases for a home based laptop, but is over-budget; http://mcscom.co.uk/product/dell-inspiron-17-5759-i7-6500u-2-50ghz-16gb-256gb-ssd-r5-m335-17-3-fhd-touch-win10-1yr-rtb-wty-mln520-free-wallet-case/

    Personally, I wouldn't spend that much on a laptop. Preferring to get two cheaper ones for the family.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 13th Jun 17, 10:57 AM
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    £80 SSD investment = £300 return !!! with great performance improvement
    I wouldn't spend any money on the C855. If you are considering a £500 spend I'd get one with an SSD (256GB rather than 128GB).
    e.g. Argos Acer (not a great fan of acer myself) but reasonable spec
    http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6555755.htm
    Originally posted by grumpycrab
    Please let me talk in more general thing. This is a great money saving site, so I rather want to make a different approach.

    This Acer Aspire is the more or less the same spec as Toshiba C855. (Well the former has a slightly better CPU) The difference? This Acer has a superfast SSD.

    As I explained before, CPU cost/performance is more or less flat in last 5-7 years, this is a typical case.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=72351323#post72351323

    If you would replace a hard disk with an SSD, you can add (save) £300 to the existing computer in this case as you don’t have to buy a new one.

    Acer red Aspire SSD model : £379.99 – 1 year warranty
    A Brand new 250/256GB SSD £80 - 3 years warranty. + Toshiba C855 = more or less the same performance with Acer Aspire SSD

    I know the most of you don’t bother; you don’t want to learn a simple computer basic, (Then I would say you are ripping off target NO1 ) So dumping your computer every a couple of years, buying, buying, buying, dumping, dumping, dumping. I am not really happy about this IT disposable business.

    It seems that mobile phone culture takes over computer as well. But unlike mobile phone, computer is actually part-upgradable. As explained, your CPU is already powerful enough, just get an SSD. Save your wallet as well as this planet. (less eWaste)

    I don’t talk about this specific case, this Toshiba C855 might be badly maintained physically. Please take care of your computers with a lot of love !

    Thank you for listening

    Happy SSD computing
    Last edited by toshi; 15-06-2017 at 12:26 PM. Reason: minor correction
    • grumpycrab
    • By grumpycrab 13th Jun 17, 11:18 AM
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    I don’t talk about this specific case
    Originally posted by toshi
    In that case I agree with you.
    Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature because somebody complained that the information contained within it was too helpful.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 14th Jun 17, 11:08 PM
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    Dell Outlet
    Hi there
    I wonder if you can help. Our current laptop is on its last legs. My husband had found this one in pc world for £499 hp-pavilion-x360-15-bk152sa-15-6-2-in-1-red-10156908 (new user do not allowed to post links)

    However, before he buys it (he's a buy right now type, I'm a research first type!) I'm sure we could find similar specs for a better price or better specs for a similar price.

    I've had a search but I'm a bit i3/i5 and hdd/ssd overloaded. I was wondering if anyone could point us at some suggestions to look at? Our last laptop was refurbished, so long as it comes with a bit of a warranty we don't mind that.

    TIA
    Originally posted by Sots80
    A friend of mine has that laptop and I would not bother spending any money on it once it starts getting flaky

    However, for your stated use I REALLY do not think you need to spend so much, I reckon you should spend between £280 and £350. To be honest I could build a decent laptop for under £100 with kit on eBay, but maybe it would be nice to have something newish.

    Now there are some good recommendations here but I do not think you need such powerful beasts.

    This is a money saving site and I would only recommend you spend the money on more powerful systems if you have some undisclosed activity (video editing, cad, etc).

    SSD's are good recommendations but you can always add one later for £45 plus prices of SSD's will come down in Autumn.

    Now if you want a new machine but want recondition prices then you could do worse than visit the Dell Outlet site, these are machines that got sent back and whatever was wrong got swapped out, It might have been a power supply, the cheapest are called scratch and dent, I bought three and could not find any scratches or dents, so I reckon they just use that term to sell at different price points, I guess you know if it is important to you.

    This is an example of a Core I3 7100u based system with 8gb ram and 1tb, it is feel fast compared to the Tosh you have now


    Inspiron 15 - 5567
    Processor: Intel® Core™ i3-7100U (2 Core,3M Cache,2.40 GHz,15W)
    Windows 10 Home (64bit)
    8GB (1x8GB) 2400MHz SDRAM DDR4 Non-ECC
    1 TB SATA Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
    8X DVD+/- RW Drive
    Software
    Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 802.11ac, 1x1, 2.4 & 5GHz + Bluetooth 4.2
    LCD Back Cover for Non-Touch Screen with HD Camera-Midnight Blue
    Power Cord : 250V
    Primary 3-cell 42W/HR Battery
    15.6 Inch HD (1366x768) Truelife Non Touch Display
    Internal English Non Backlit Keyboard

    Price Ex- Vat is £288.29 which is £345.94 gross however if you use code below they currently offer 15% off, so price reduces by £51.89 and you pay £294.06

    Voucher Discount Code: Inspired5567188

    That was scratch n Dent if you want one without you need to check their site in the morning, they add stock at various times in the day, prices sometimes reduce, but ALWAYS check the spec is the same when you see a cheaper price.

    Start here:
    http://www.dell.com/learn/uk/en/ukdfh1/campaigns/splitter
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • letsbehonest
    • By letsbehonest 25th Jun 17, 12:06 PM
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    Looking at your requirements do you really want to spend that much? I was in a similar position a couple of years ago and plumped for a second user Dell Latitude with an i5 processor for £175, it has proved a very good buy.
    "Imagination is more Important than knowledge"
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 25th Jun 17, 6:18 PM
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    Let's be honest, they have probably bought it by now.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • Sots80
    • By Sots80 25th Jun 17, 8:04 PM
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    Many thanks for the later replies.

    We've held fire for the minute as our circumstances have changed slightly. I did however replace the keyboard and battery of the Toshiba for the grand sum of £20 whilst we decide what our laptop needs are. Whilst it's flaky, we can make do for the time being and at least i don't have to use the on screen keyboard anymore ��However, thanks to earlier replies I do have a list of places to check when ready whilst giving PCWORLD a wide berth!
    Thanks again
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