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    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 10th Jun 17, 2:13 PM
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    Upstairs neighbour mystery noise equipment
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    • 10th Jun 17, 2:13 PM
    Upstairs neighbour mystery noise equipment 10th Jun 17 at 2:13 PM
    Longstanding noise conflict with upstairs neighbour in brick and concrete-floor flats. Things have bumped along for a couple of years but have recently taken a more sinister turn.

    A month ago, he had a visitor and it sounded like they were moving some heavy equipment around and having a good belly laugh. That night the equipment was switched on and it vibrated the floor in my flat to the extent that I couldn't get to sleep in bed. It makes the floor buzz and makes my joints feel odd.

    This has happened on and off since then with me losing sleep and struggling at work as a result. What is more serious is that my tinnitus has got noticeably worse with my ears sometimes hissing in the morning, despite wearing ear plugs.

    I will of course be moving out as soon as reasonably possible. But until then, what should I do? The police would need a warrant to see inside his flat. And would they even attend such a tinfoil-hat-sounding complaint?

    Any ideas as to what equipment would cause this effect? Something ultrasonic perhaps? It must be semi portable as he can be heard shifting it around when I've relocated bed.

    Thanks for any advice.

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    Last edited by coffeehound; 10-06-2017 at 2:23 PM. Reason: typos
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    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 10th Jun 17, 2:16 PM
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    Police don't deal with noise complaints. I have no idea what could be causing the noise but feel for your situation. Your local council should have an Environmental Health Officer, you could get in touch with them for assistance.
    • Callie22
    • By Callie22 10th Jun 17, 11:41 PM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 11:41 PM
    Could it be some kind of fan or portable air-con unit? I once lived in a flat over someone who used one of these and when it was used overnight the vibrations were awful.
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 11th Jun 17, 12:43 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 12:43 AM
    Is there any pattern to the noise, like hot nights ? Callie22 suggested an A/C unit.

    Any idea how the neighbour sleeps with the noise ? Maybe it is something on their ceiling, like an out-of-balance fan. Maybe they aren't there at night, or on those nights.

    Probably useful to record it, then go and see Environmental Health. Maybe others in your block have complained, or you could ask them.

    It could be an air filtering unit for a cannabis farm ; if you could smell that, you'd have reasonable grounds for believing that a criminal offence was being committed and the police ought to take notice. Unless it is a noise-making machine, it probably uses a lot of power, and so do solar lamps. ls it only on at night, during Economy 7 hours ?
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 11th Jun 17, 8:29 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 8:29 AM
    As above, contact the council. They will investigate and possibly visit to witness the noise.
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    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 11th Jun 17, 11:44 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:44 AM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 11:44 AM
    Thanks for your replies and good suggestions. One thing I forgot to say was that the sole intention of this equipment is to hassle me and deprive me of sleep. I wasn't going to get into the specifics too much, but basically the guy is a loon. He literally never goes out (at least not when I am home) so can sleep all day while I'm at work.

    I'll follow the suggestion of contacting the council.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 11th Jun 17, 1:08 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 1:08 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 1:08 PM
    If you believe this is intentional then its harassment. Call the police on 101 and explain the situation. They may decide to get involved.

    I have sporadic problems with a noisy neighbour waking me during the night with loud phone calls and TV. White noise helps a lot. It drowns out other noise and I suspect the fact that I can control what I hear helps. It also annoys my neighbour which is fine by me. You get what you give.

    AM radio tuned into static works for me.
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    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 11th Jun 17, 3:46 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 3:46 PM
    Thanks, good to know there may be an offence that it comes under.

    Unfortunately it's the vibration rather than noise that disrupts sleep (misleading thread title really). For the first couple of years ear plugs and/or industrial ear defenders thwarted his attempts to wake me up. But he's since worked out that vibration works.
    Last edited by coffeehound; 11-06-2017 at 3:50 PM.
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 11th Jun 17, 5:33 PM
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    • 11th Jun 17, 5:33 PM
    My neighbours used to make a lot of noise, especially music........ We used to call it Ch4v anthems 2015.

    That was up until I introduced them to Rammstein on my rarely used stereo (which is beefy enough to shake the building). I was careful to take down all the glasses from the shelves in my kitchen before hand.
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    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 11th Jun 17, 6:13 PM
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    As a practical idea, could you isolate your furniture from the floor, with stacks of small squares of rubber :
    Halfords : Rolson 6 Piece Floor Mat Set - 120 x 180cm for £10 = over 200 squares 10 x 10 cm.

    It wouldn't stop the floor vibrating, but the bed might stop, and the furniture wouldn't make a noise.
    If there are places you regularly stand ( washing up ), a larger patch and a small paving slab on top might help.
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    • SomeOne
    • By SomeOne 11th Jun 17, 8:35 PM
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    Could it be a subwoofer?

    Either way as others have suggested above, i'd get your local council's environmental health dept involved.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 11th Jun 17, 10:13 PM
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    It could well be something like a surface transducer, which turns any resonant surface into a speaker. Something like the hum from an amplifier could cause the vibrations if it was placed on his floor:

    https://www.proto-pic.co.uk/surface-transducer-large.html?gclid=CP6Ay4PYttQCFRY8GwodhLEK2Q

    However it could also be a low frequency bass shaker, such as used in computer gaming chairs. These are designed to send very low frequency pulses through the body to make things like explosions etc more real.

    Low frequency sound, maybe beyond the range of hearing, is disturbing to some people. It causes them unpleasant physical effects. Such noise could be seen as a form of assault if being deliberately fed into your home, but the problem may be proving this.

    Here's an interesting piece of research about low frequency noise which may/may not be relevant:

    http://www.salford.ac.uk/computing-science-engineering/research/acoustics/psychoacoustics/low-frequency-noise/frequently-asked-questions
    Last edited by Davesnave; 11-06-2017 at 10:26 PM. Reason: added article
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    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 25th Jun 17, 10:07 PM
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    Many thanks for the posts, folks.

    Geoff1963 that is a great idea re the rubber blocks; might well come back to that.

    Subwoofer is a good suggestion, maybe if run with a squarewave signal though it. Also Davesnave's suggestions sound like what it feels like. Yes sub-bass/infrasound seems to cause momentary feelings of dread here so that makes sense.

    Anyway, fingers crossed, there hasn't been any industrial vibrations in recent days so hopefully he's had to give the toys back. Unfortunately he's reverted to thumps, bangs and crashes instead...
    Last edited by coffeehound; 26-06-2017 at 4:56 AM.
    • lazer-zxr
    • By lazer-zxr 26th Jun 17, 11:57 AM
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    Dont know how I stumbled on this thread -> but this seems ridiculous. Why would someone put their energy into disturbing someone else? I can't even comprehend it. Is this actually real?
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    • Ryanfuego
    • By Ryanfuego 26th Jun 17, 12:31 PM
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    You're in trouble of course, but go and talk to your neighbor, in a normal way and without any yelling, very gently and you will know whats going on and why there is a voice, or how can u prevent it.
    • susan53
    • By susan53 23rd Aug 17, 1:15 PM
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    Noisy upstairs neighbour
    Hi i understand your situation as i am going through a similar situation. Getting the council involved is a long process. I know this from what my father has told me. They bring round a machine to your home to monitor the noise and then you have to keep a diary of when the noise is happening. You have to do this for a few weeks in the meantime you are loosing sleep. Your best bet is to move I know this from experience. My neighbour is a man in his 70s and most people of that age like peace and quiet but this man will have his friend round at 2.05am in the morning talking and walking backwards and forwards. He is a loon like your neighbour. I would definitely move i Know it is expensive but in your new home you will have peace and quiet. That is what we are going to do when we have got the money together. Good Luck. Hope my advice has helped.
    • another casualty
    • By another casualty 23rd Aug 17, 3:16 PM
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    My neighbours used to make a lot of noise, especially music........ We used to call it Ch4v anthems 2015.

    That was up until I introduced them to Rammstein on my rarely used stereo (which is beefy enough to shake the building). I was careful to take down all the glasses from the shelves in my kitchen before hand.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    Rammstein are the nuts !
    Sorry , but just had to say that
    • another casualty
    • By another casualty 23rd Aug 17, 3:23 PM
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    Sorry to hear about your situation coffeehound & others.
    Years ago my friends girlfriend had issues and had to get the noise enforcement from the council to deal with it .
    They had to attend on quite a few occasions ( mainly with the woman persistently complaining) before catching the neighbours in the act so to speak .

    I have heard of people retaliating by turning on a guitar through an amplifier , recording a loop and letting it repeat consistently while they went away for a few days. Not recommended if you have thugs to contend with . Hope things improve anyway
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 23rd Aug 17, 3:36 PM
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    My neighbour is a man in his 70s and most people of that age like peace and quiet but this man will have his friend round at 2.05am in the morning talking and walking backwards and forwards. He is a loon like your neighbour.
    Originally posted by susan53
    Such odd behaviour shouldn't be tolerated from someone as old as that.

    How dare 70 year olds have friends around, talk and wander about in the middle of the night; it's perverted!
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    • susan53
    • By susan53 24th Aug 17, 8:56 AM
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    Not long after my son and i moved into our flat which was 11 months ago my neighbour(70 year old man) started slamming front door. It is a communal front door. He now does it every day and knows we dont like it but gets a kick out of it and does it even more. I spoke to my landlord about this not long after we moved in but he is not interested. As long as he gets the rent every month thats all he is interested in. We are going to move in the future. But we will not be driving out and will move when we want to. I sympathenise with anyone who has noisy neighbour. People are inconsiderate and i know from experience that there are some sick people in this world who get a kick out of annoying their neighbour because they are not happy with their life
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