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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 9th Jun 17, 7:11 AM
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    Get ready for a Conservative/DUP coalition
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    • 9th Jun 17, 7:11 AM
    Get ready for a Conservative/DUP coalition 9th Jun 17 at 7:11 AM
    Well, don't, although it's been a very strange night.

    Nigel Dodds as chancellor? Gregory Campbell in defence?

    Something wrong when only hotheads win on both sides.

    Round here is a prime example - the eloquent, intelligent and accomplished Doug Beattie is rejected in favour of the invisible man, David Simpson. Has anyone ever heard him speak? An mp who's never on the radio for anything. How's that work?
    Or an mp who doesn't go to parliament, so no representative for the catholic population in Westminster. That can't be right.

    Incomprehensible.
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    • donnac2558
    • By donnac2558 9th Jun 17, 9:32 AM
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    The Daily Mail are going for the Scottish Tories to keep the Tory minority in power.

    Welcome to Northern Ireland, the people are lunatics(a few sensible ones, but we keep the out of the way) and the music keeps playing.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 9th Jun 17, 10:43 AM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 10:43 AM
    Well, don't, although it's been a very strange night.

    Nigel Dodds as chancellor? Gregory Campbell in defence?

    Something wrong when only hotheads win on both sides.

    Round here is a prime example - the eloquent, intelligent and accomplished Doug Beattie is rejected in favour of the invisible man, David Simpson. Has anyone ever heard him speak? An mp who's never on the radio for anything. How's that work?
    Or an mp who doesn't go to parliament, so no representative for the catholic population in Westminster. That can't be right.

    Incomprehensible.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop

    Completely unfair and inaccurate analysis. The DUP on the ground have a track record of getting things done, Simpson is a prime example of this. The audit done on Jim Shannon secured his membership of the MP club for as long as he wishes.


    It's Doug Beattie who is invisible and at times workshy although I will concede he is a good public speaker.


    Incidentally I don't always agree with the DUP on social issues but to say they are invisible on the ground is deceptive and suggesting their voters are ignoramuses.
    • dsab
    • By dsab 9th Jun 17, 11:15 AM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 11:15 AM
    I am saying this as a foreigner... but I still can't get my head around the fact that people vote for people who refuse to take their seats and thereby do work for the good of the people who voted for them. Completely baffles me.

    IMO SF could achieve much more by taking their seats and ensuring a future for the younger voters who largely care very little for what happened 30/40/50 years ago.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 9th Jun 17, 11:29 AM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 11:29 AM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 11:29 AM
    I am saying this as a foreigner... but I still can't get my head around the fact that people vote for people who refuse to take their seats and thereby do work for the good of the people who voted for them. Completely baffles me.

    IMO SF could achieve much more by taking their seats and ensuring a future for the younger voters who largely care very little for what happened 30/40/50 years ago.
    Originally posted by dsab
    I think it would be electoral suicide if they took their seats, it's part of the reason why the SDLP have been wiped out - SF used this stick to severely beat them.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 9th Jun 17, 12:05 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 12:05 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 12:05 PM
    Well this is their rare, if not only, chance to influence things, and they're not taking it.
    • Cotta
    • By Cotta 9th Jun 17, 12:24 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 12:24 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 12:24 PM
    Well this is their rare, if not only, chance to influence things, and they're not taking it.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    They're forming a coalition and will be able to bring a positive influence for NI.
    • Zola.
    • By Zola. 9th Jun 17, 12:47 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 12:47 PM
    This ultimately weakens SF, which may not be a bad thing, as !!!! might start getting done now..
    • BigAl94
    • By BigAl94 9th Jun 17, 2:42 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 2:42 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 2:42 PM
    Make a coalition with a party of racist, sexist, homophobic, sectarian religious fundamentalists. What could possibly go wrong!
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 9th Jun 17, 2:50 PM
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    This ultimately weakens SF, which may not be a bad thing, as !!!! might start getting done now..
    Originally posted by Zola.
    I honestly can't see how. It has weakened the moderates significantly but if anything SF will be rubbing there hands at the result. They were never going to take their seat. They'll see it as sitting back and letting the DUP face the inevitable massive media scrutiny. It also raises some significant constitutional issues with the DUP holding up a government. The UK government role as honest broker will be called into question.

    I think we can look forward to yet another election within 6 months. Great to shine a light on the crazy NI politics though. My social media feeds have been buzzing about homophobia, creationism, womans rights, terrorist endorsement and corruption. English people who were happy to let us mess around in the NI zoo are taking an interest. That can only be good.
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 9th Jun 17, 2:52 PM
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    Make a coalition with a party of racist, sexist, homophobic, sectarian religious fundamentalists. What could possibly go wrong!
    Originally posted by BigAl94
    That's DUP/UDA in a nutshell. Expect to see Lord Robinson honour announced in the next honours list. The UK press will have a field day with that.
    • rolo1
    • By rolo1 9th Jun 17, 4:30 PM
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    For once N.Ireland will have some real leverage at Westminster -thats a good thing in my book.
    • Zola.
    • By Zola. 9th Jun 17, 4:31 PM
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    I honestly can't see how. It has weakened the moderates significantly but if anything SF will be rubbing there hands at the result. They were never going to take their seat. They'll see it as sitting back and letting the DUP face the inevitable massive media scrutiny. It also raises some significant constitutional issues with the DUP holding up a government. The UK government role as honest broker will be called into question.

    I think we can look forward to yet another election within 6 months. Great to shine a light on the crazy NI politics though. My social media feeds have been buzzing about homophobia, creationism, womans rights, terrorist endorsement and corruption. English people who were happy to let us mess around in the NI zoo are taking an interest. That can only be good.
    Originally posted by saverbuyer
    Second paragraph - Yes!!

    It will be hilarious to see our calibre of shitty politicians getting torn to shreds by labour in westminster for the dinosaur policies.

    WHAT A FARCE!!!
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 9th Jun 17, 5:07 PM
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    Something like 20 tory MPs come from the LGBT community. I can't see this coalition lasting. Also past experience of the DUP/UDA (Red sky, RHI, Robinson's garden sale, Paisley and the developer Sweeney, NAMA) suggests the "leverage" will be used to feather their own nests.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 9th Jun 17, 10:08 PM
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    For supposed Christian fundamentalists, dishonesty has been conspicuous.

    I'm dreading this. These people are going to make us look ridiculous in the eyes of the English, and probably the world. Come on - when I was a boy, only hot heads voted DUP. Something has gone horribly wrong.
    • tommie
    • By tommie 9th Jun 17, 10:23 PM
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    66% of the vote went to DUP/SF alone, approx. 531,000 votes,

    what has gone horribly wrong?

    It`s called Democracy,

    if you don`t like it hand in your passport and jog of to North Korea, Russia or similar
    • chunter
    • By chunter 9th Jun 17, 10:50 PM
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    We're just getting further and further away from politics. These elections are simply deteriorating into sectarian head counts.
    Pathetic, to be honest.
    • Sugarmummy
    • By Sugarmummy 9th Jun 17, 11:38 PM
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    At the end of the day, DUP can now request for the post of NI secretary and then direct rule and SF can do nowt about it!! After all they don't want to take up their seats....and they have eliminated all nationalist voice in Westminster!! SF want to prevent brexit/border etc but with no voice in Westminster again there is nothing they can do!! This was a national vote not a NI vote...people on here thinking it was a typical green v orange vote - Majority people voted for those that actually do work for constituencies on a broader level something that our MLAs failed to do!? And for representation within the U.K. Government yet again something that now SF have wiped out!! I really don't understand how SF are calling this a successful vote??
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 10th Jun 17, 2:25 AM
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    66% of the vote went to DUP/SF alone, approx. 531,000 votes,

    what has gone horribly wrong?

    It`s called Democracy,

    if you don`t like it hand in your passport and jog of to North Korea, Russia or similar
    Originally posted by tommie
    What's gone wrong is we all feel obliged to vote for what used to be known as extremists. Resentment of the sinister other appears to be more significant than choosing someone who might actually have a bit of sense or even talent. Yesterday's crop are hardly the kind of intellectual giant who we can feel represent us well on the national or international stage.
    Even worse, is this so pervasive that someone who feels a certain level of despair ( that's me, aye?) is advised to leave? Tolerance, diversity of opinion, democracy - remember those? North Korea, Russia?
    Last edited by qwert yuiop; 10-06-2017 at 2:27 AM.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 10th Jun 17, 2:28 AM
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    They're forming a coalition and will be able to bring a positive influence for NI.
    Originally posted by Cotta
    They're not taking their seats.
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