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    • WreckDiver
    • By WreckDiver 8th Jun 17, 11:20 AM
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    25Yr. Ground Rent review
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    • 8th Jun 17, 11:20 AM
    25Yr. Ground Rent review 8th Jun 17 at 11:20 AM
    Hello all,

    I am in the process of buying a leasehold flat and have just been sent the below in regards to the lease extention the vendor is in the process of completing.

    The new lease will include:
    i A new ground rent of £150 per annum to increase every 25 years by the higher of the increase in the Retail Price Index or to twice the current ground rent as at the month immediately preceding each rent review period.

    ii Costs recovery clause should the Landlord wish to pursue costs in respect of any further breach.

    I have seen references to leases that include one or the other, but not both.

    I would be greatful for any opinions.

    Many thanks
    Last edited by WreckDiver; 09-06-2017 at 8:46 PM.
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    • WreckDiver
    • By WreckDiver 9th Jun 17, 8:46 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 8:46 PM
    Any thoughts? I posted the question on the Leasehold page on Facebook but as expected the opinions are quite biased against Leaseholds in general so all responces are "don't touch" and "all rent reviews that double are bad." I cannot affort a Freehold and it is my understanding that 25Yr rent reviews are not that uncommon and less of a concern then 10Yr reviews. My main concern is whether the either/or approach to the rent review is uncommon enough to raise problems down the line.

    Many thanks
    • BrassicWoman
    • By BrassicWoman 9th Jun 17, 9:50 PM
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    • 9th Jun 17, 9:50 PM
    RPI has been running around 5% so 5% for 25 years = 125%

    Sounds ok to me, depends if you think prices of retail goods are about to go mad and wages will not keep up. It seems a small gamble to me. Depends how young you are too, and how far off the next review is.
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    • WreckDiver
    • By WreckDiver 10th Jun 17, 12:34 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 12:34 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 12:34 AM
    Thank you, do you think it is unusual for the lease to include an either/or rent review? The lease is being extended now so the review is 25yrs away so is not a huge concern. I may ask for the RPI to be removed so that I at least know the exact figures.
    • eddddy
    • By eddddy 10th Jun 17, 12:47 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 12:47 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 12:47 AM
    So this is an informal lease extension.

    As you may know, a statutory lease extension would reduce the ground rent to zero.

    The downside of the £150 and rising ground rent is that it would make buying the freehold more expensive - which might impact the value of the flat.


    (It's difficult to predict the sentiment of buyers in the future. If a buyer had the choice of two flats - one with £0 ground rent and one with £150 rising ground rent - how much would that influence them?)
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 10th Jun 17, 8:50 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 8:50 AM
    RPI has been running around 5% so 5% for 25 years = 125%

    Sounds ok to me, depends if you think prices of retail goods are about to go mad and wages will not keep up. It seems a small gamble to me. Depends how young you are too, and how far off the next review is.
    Originally posted by BrassicWoman
    5% compounded over 25years is 338.64%
    • BrassicWoman
    • By BrassicWoman 10th Jun 17, 8:59 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 8:59 AM
    5% compounded over 25years is 338.64%
    Originally posted by getmore4less

    ahh ok! Less good then. But still not awful.
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 10th Jun 17, 9:08 AM
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    ahh ok! Less good then. But still not awful.
    Originally posted by BrassicWoman
    £187.5 or £507.96
    • WreckDiver
    • By WreckDiver 10th Jun 17, 9:34 AM
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    • 10th Jun 17, 9:34 AM
    Thank you getmore4less, please can you clarify the £187.50 or £507.96 for me? What does this relate to?
    • bouicca21
    • By bouicca21 10th Jun 17, 10:44 AM
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    I think the rpi or double is pretty good. And as I have discovered elsewhere on this forum at some stage in the future you can always go for another formal extension that reduces the ground rent to zero. Probably not worth it for you but maybe of interest to a future purchaser.
    • WreckDiver
    • By WreckDiver 10th Jun 17, 10:49 AM
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    Thank you bouicca21, that is realy reassuring.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 10th Jun 17, 10:51 AM
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    Thank you getmore4less, please can you clarify the £187.50 or £507.96 for me? What does this relate to?
    Originally posted by WreckDiver
    RPI 5% flat or 5% compunding
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