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    • gillsmills
    • By gillsmills 7th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
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    computer help request
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    • 7th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
    computer help request 7th Jun 17 at 2:32 PM
    At present I am operating on Windows XP ...yes I know well out of date....am looking to get a new desktop computer with a more modern and up to date operating system, I am also using an I pad air too. Would somebody please give me some advice on what would be a good pc to consider, I just need it for internet, email, and job applications as I will be looking for a new job about September time. I'd also like recommendations on a printer too so that I can print from my I pad and desktop too, thanks in anticipation.
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    • Sicard
    • By Sicard 9th Jun 17, 10:33 AM
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    Bad advice. If you are having issues you would be better sorting them.
    What problems have you got?
    Originally posted by RumRat
    Thanks for your kind offer: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5653104


    W10 issues is usually down to users not knowing how to use it.

    Never had any w10 issues since its public launch, although had a few in the insider program, but all fixed and ironed out before public release.

    why tell someone to chose a OS that is EOL and will no be supported by Microsoft and will not get an security patches or updates
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    W7 support ends in 2020.

    Here's an entire board with separate forums devoted to sorting out the many various W10 problems:
    https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-forums/

    Here's a selection of problems:
    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/multiple-problems-with-w10/166891f8-025d-4131-b475-504fa7bcbd2d

    As I indicated I never had so many problems with xp nor Vista, I never touched Millenium and the most stable os for me was W2k.
    Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
    Isaac Asimov
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 9th Jun 17, 10:54 AM
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    Thanks for your kind offer: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5653104




    W7 support ends in 2020.

    Here's an entire board with separate forums devoted to sorting out the many various W10 problems:
    https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-forums/

    Here's a selection of problems:
    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/multiple-problems-with-w10/166891f8-025d-4131-b475-504fa7bcbd2d

    As I indicated I never had so many problems with xp nor Vista, I never touched Millenium and the most stable os for me was W2k.
    Originally posted by Sicard
    Millenium was just win98SE

    but look at MS OS history it all follows a pattern

    good,bad,good,bad,good,bad

    at in W7good, W8bad, W8.1good so they thought to break the cycle w9 would be skipped to win10.

    I have never had any issues with Win10

    Win 7 End of mainstream support January 13, 2015, extended support which is limited support is January 14, 2020
    so until January 14, 2020 MS will issue security updates/patches, but you could not call them and get tech support
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 9th Jun 17, 11:20 AM
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    W10 issues is usually down to users not knowing how to use it.

    Never had any w10 issues since its public launch, although had a few in the insider program, but all fixed and ironed out before public release.

    why tell someone to chose a OS that is EOL and will no be supported by Microsoft and will not get an security patches or updates
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    I have to disagree, Windows 10 is an Affiliate and Advertising platform, it is slower than Win7 which has been the most stable version of Windows ever.

    I run a few Win10 machines and the user experience is dreadful, every time I upgrade they put their crap (that I previously removed) back.

    Win10 is antitrust and anti competitive, you install a program like VLC, and Microsoft makes it SO difficult to use, first it no longer lets VLC add it's file associations in one go, it forces the user to go one by one remove the crap Microsoft affiliate app for every single file type. Then over the next few uses, when you click on a file that you told it you want to use VLC for, it interupts that launch and says "are you sure you do not want to use this bright and shiny Microsoft App" an App it will not let you remove. Then a few weeks later is says "oh we saw you had a problem with VLC and have reset your file associations back to our crap app". So the hours work of changing file associations has to be done AGAIN. As if that was not enough, every time it does does updates it puts Microsoft Edge and Store back on my task bar and I bloody remove them, then I have to figure out all the crap it has changed, file associations, views in Explorer, but worst of all, it resets all my 200 privacy settings to "give everything to Microsoft".

    This just wastes my time, which is why we are seeing a plethora of apps that lock down Win10

    Now I am capable, I can figure out and create registry files to undo this crap, but for most people they are effectively forcing their software (and it's sharing of their habits) down people's throat.

    It pulls the same crap for Chrome and any other App.

    What matters to me is that "I AM THE DADDY", it is my f'ing machine and I do NOT want Micro$oft putting up hurdles to me doing WHAT I WANT.

    I have been around since before Windows was born, I have used every version and am intimate with how they work, including all the server versions. Yet I have never been so close to moving to another OS. I will stick with Win7 even beyond M$ support. I will use Win10 where I have to but I will now be seeking to automate my "cut the crap" requirements. I find the colour scheme reminds me of the days when we had CGA adaptors with a 4 colour pallet and Windows Explore is awful, even with customisation it is tedious as hell.

    Win7 runs faster, but best of all it is super stable (no not the kind of stable that May was referring to), Win10 is always having bloody problems, always bleating about this or that, just interrupting my work.

    So IMO and it is an opinion that people pay big money for, staying with Win7 is actually good advice. Now you and others are entitled to their own opinion, perhaps you have lower needs or expectations.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 9th Jun 17, 11:42 AM
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    I run a few Win10 machines and the user experience is dreadful, every time I upgrade they put their crap (that I previously removed) back.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    I have never had any crap through win 10. any software will replace anything you previously removed even in win 7 if you auto update, if the items are in the core files.

    but at least you can remove them from windows. i am sick of Apple when they update Ios on iphone or ipad they will add another app that you cannot remove
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 9th Jun 17, 11:52 AM
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    WAYT
    just got reply from encore


    this is MB specs
    http://ark.intel.com/products/51997/Intel-Desktop-Board-DQ67SW
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    Looks good to me.
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 9th Jun 17, 11:58 AM
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    I have to disagree, .....
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    I'm guessing that they were referring to Vista, not Windows 7. Though I could be wrong.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 9th Jun 17, 1:22 PM
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    RumRat
    I have to disagree, etc.etc.

    So IMO and it is an opinion that people pay big money for, staying with Win7 is actually good advice. Now you and others are entitled to their own opinion, perhaps you have lower needs or expectations.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    I think I'd be asking for a refund.....You seem to have a lot of problems not experienced here.....
    That'll be a tenner.......
    Drinking Rum before 10am makes you
    A PIRATE
    Not an Alcoholic...!
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 9th Jun 17, 1:56 PM
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    I think I'd be asking for a refund.....You seem to have a lot of problems not experienced here.....
    That'll be a tenner.......
    Originally posted by RumRat
    Maybe the problem is not the software but this

    Now I am capable, I can figure out and create registry files to undo this crap,
    messing about with the registry files and removing stuff win 10 uses to run smoothly
    • Sicard
    • By Sicard 10th Jun 17, 8:03 AM
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    The W10 bullies rule okay.
    Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
    Isaac Asimov
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 10th Jun 17, 9:53 AM
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    The W10 bullies rule okay.
    Originally posted by Sicard
    Obviously, you not being able to join in the discussion is proving to be a difficulty for you.
    Perhaps you could articulate your problems and possibly, obtain some assistance in resolving them.
    Drinking Rum before 10am makes you
    A PIRATE
    Not an Alcoholic...!
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 10th Jun 17, 11:04 AM
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    I have never had any crap through win 10. any software will replace anything you previously removed even in win 7 if you auto update, if the items are in the core files.

    but at least you can remove them from windows. i am sick of Apple when they update Ios on iphone or ipad they will add another app that you cannot remove
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    Maybe the problem is not the software but this


    messing about with the registry files and removing stuff win 10 uses to run smoothly
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    I have not done that yet but I was saying it is something I could do but should not have to do, I have made a complaint to the EU Competition Commissioner.

    Using Apple is like driving a car that had the hood sealed, some like it that way but it is a grab your ankles operation. Again some like that and good luck to them, but not my way.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 10th Jun 17, 11:12 AM
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    The W10 bullies rule okay.
    Originally posted by Sicard
    Not so much bullies as lemmings!

    Some also know no better or like the Apple like features where they are expected to not engage their brain.

    If Win10 ran faster, had a lean n mean interface or even a proper Win7 look and feel I would be more tolerant, but it is a bloated piece of crap.

    As a business move I get it, Google had the ad market with Chrome and Google search, even if Microsoft had managed to buy Yahoo they were still looking at sub 10% market share. So turn the whole OS into an advertising platform and add affiliate stuff in there too.

    I will stick with Win7 and I will move some things to Linux if that is what it takes to remain in control of MY computers.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 10th Jun 17, 11:40 AM
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    WAYT
    computer help request

    Just a reminder.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 10th Jun 17, 12:02 PM
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    What like the pointless debate over whether something is a Notebook, Netbook, Laptop or Portable computer!!??
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 10th Jun 17, 2:16 PM
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    WAYT
    What like the pointless debate over whether something is a Notebook, Netbook, Laptop or Portable computer!!??
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Nothing like that, as I had already posted a solution to the problem in that thread. Which the originating poster acknowledged and thanked for personally.

    Whereas, the originating poster here needs help in purchasing a computer.
    You have posted your opinion of Windows 10, which is fine. But now I reminding you of the need to help the originating poster, as opposed to your own ego.

    Make sure that they have reached a conclusion, before dragging the thread off topic.
    • Tiexen
    • By Tiexen 10th Jun 17, 3:59 PM
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    Tiexen
    I'd forget all the above and buy one of these (I did) @£500

    Looks good, only one plug, 1 box will do everything you want.

    http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=W3A67EA&opt=ABU&sel=DTP

    HP 22-b030na All-in-One (White)
    • Windows 10 Home 64
    • Intel® Core™ i3-6100U processor
    • 54.6 cm (21.5") diagonal Full-HD (1920 x 1080) display
    • 8GB RAM and 1TB storage
    • USB Keyboard and Mouse
    Last edited by Tiexen; 10-06-2017 at 4:01 PM.
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 10th Jun 17, 5:16 PM
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    I'd forget all the above and buy one of these (I did) @£500

    Looks good, only one plug, 1 box will do everything you want.

    http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=W3A67EA&opt=ABU&sel=DTP

    HP 22-b030na All-in-One (White)
    • Windows 10 Home 64
    • Intel® Core™ i3-6100U processor
    • 54.6 cm (21.5") diagonal Full-HD (1920 x 1080) display
    • 8GB RAM and 1TB storage
    • USB Keyboard and Mouse
    Originally posted by Tiexen

    I don't think anyone here would agree with you.
    But at least you would bring everyone who previously disagreed on the thread together.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 10th Jun 17, 5:39 PM
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    I am with WAYT on this one, he and others have posted much better value replacements on other threads

    Of course not much point wasting time on this thread as OP has not bothered to come back and engage.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 10th Jun 17, 5:57 PM
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    WAYT
    I am with WAYT on this one, he and others have posted much better value replacements on other threads

    Of course not much point wasting time on this thread as OP has not bothered to come back and engage.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Still a useful thread, as they might take note of lack of the necessity of spending such a large amount on a new PC. The STONE PC would more than suffice for their needs. Certainly more powerful than any PC that I own and I am not wanting for PC performance.
    Together with a new 23" IPS monitor, a less than a £250 spend to include an Wireless AC USB network adaptor.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 10th Jun 17, 8:02 PM
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    WAYT I think they should take your advice and give the difference to Charity, I will never understand why people spend so much money, some even buy them on credit.

    Even when I have loads of money I am still tight.
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
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