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    • gillsmills
    • By gillsmills 7th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
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    computer help request
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    • 7th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
    computer help request 7th Jun 17 at 2:32 PM
    At present I am operating on Windows XP ...yes I know well out of date....am looking to get a new desktop computer with a more modern and up to date operating system, I am also using an I pad air too. Would somebody please give me some advice on what would be a good pc to consider, I just need it for internet, email, and job applications as I will be looking for a new job about September time. I'd also like recommendations on a printer too so that I can print from my I pad and desktop too, thanks in anticipation.
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    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 7:22 PM
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    ”its the Dell Optiplexs that go for £50, but they have not USBs etc. and use the old ps/2 mouse and keyboards
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    I'm trying to help. It's your machine that goes for £50. They've just put in a bigger HDD and added a twelve month warranty. Swapping out the HDD and extending the warranty shouldn't add £100. At least £50 too much. Don't do it.

    Last edited by WAYT; 08-06-2017 at 7:27 PM.
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 7:24 PM
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    You really need to listen instead of arguing. I'm not try to trick you. It's too much.
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 7:32 PM
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    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-8000-Elite-SFF-PC-2-93GHz-Core2Duo-CPU-4GB-RAM-250GB-HDD-DVDRW-Windows-7-/152559587392 £50 Same machine?
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 7:41 PM
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    You really need to listen instead of arguing. I'm not try to trick you. It's too much.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    wary of ebay as last 2 had been duds, even have a thread on here about the issues getting a refund and returning the last 1
    • another casualty
    • By another casualty 8th Jun 17, 7:41 PM
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    another casualty
    I could be totally wrong , but if the o p has an iPad already , why not go over to Apple altogether ? That means you could backup the iPad whenever . A Mac mini is pretty good , though you'll need a monitor and preferably a wreless meyboard . Just a thought
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 7:52 PM
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    wary of ebay as last 2 had been duds, even have a thread on here about the issues getting a refund and returning the last 1
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    Wasn't suggesting that you buy from an unknown seller. Just illustrating the basic cost of your machine.
    You should expect a 3rd Gen i5 CPU at that price with a bit of searching. But even without that, you can get a reasonably powerful Quad Core CPU and have enough left in the budget for a 120GB solid state drive.

    Quick example;
    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/dell-optiplex-960-250gb-4gb
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newly-Refurbished-Dell-OptiPlex-960-Core2-Quad-Q9550-2-83GHz-250GB-2-x-2GB-/162453262933

    Same seller. So eBay is not the issue. Just choose a good seller

    So £91.77 inc delivery and £45.59 for SSD; http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/pb/Toshiba-Solid-State-Drive-Q300-120-GB/id=4152475/

    Extend the warranty to twelve months for another £25 if you are nervous.

    A much better performer. Super-fast because of the combination of good CPU and SSD.

    Looking around will likely reveal even better deals. But yours is £50 too much. Really not worth it.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 8:04 PM
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    Wasn't suggesting that you buy from an unknown seller. Just illustrating the basic cost of your machine.
    You should expect a 3rd Gen i5 CPU at that price with a bit of searching. But even without that, you can get a reasonably powerful Quad Core CPU and have enough left in the budget for a 120GB solid state drive.

    Quick example;
    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/dell-optiplex-960-250gb-4gb
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newly-Refurbished-Dell-OptiPlex-960-Core2-Quad-Q9550-2-83GHz-250GB-2-x-2GB-/162453262933

    Same seller. So eBay is not the issue. Just choose a good seller

    So £91.77 inc delivery and £45.59 for SSD; http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/pb/Toshiba-Solid-State-Drive-Q300-120-GB/id=4152475/

    Extend the warranty to twelve months for another £25 if you are nervous.

    A much better performer. Super-fast because of the combination of good CPU and SSD.

    Looking around will likely reveal even better deals. But yours is £50 too much. Really not worth it.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    trouble with SSD is the size of drives my current HDD is 148GB and only 25GB free and my ext HDD is 232GB with 145GB free, so even a 250GB is twice what i have now.

    this is what i have paid for
    so 55 for the 1TB drive, which is roughly what ebay sellers charge
    Item Sku Qty Subtotal
    Refurbished HP Elite 8000, Intel Core2Duo [E7500] 2.93GHz, 4GB Memory, 250GB HDD, DVD Drive with Windows 7 or 10 WEB-SHP8000 1 £94.98

    Windows 7 Professional W7PRO-ORIGINAL 1 £0.00

    Generic 4GB Memory for Desktops - 240Pin DDR3 PC3 - 10600 1333Mhz MEM-240-PC3-10600-4 1 £0.00

    Generic 1TB SATA Hard Drive for 3.5 Disk DSK-35-1TB-HDD 1 £55.00

    30 Day Free Trial OFFICE-PREINSTALL 1 £0.00

    Subtotal (Excl.Tax) £124.98
    Subtotal (Incl.Tax) £149.98
    Shipping & Handling (Excl.Tax) £0.00
    Shipping & Handling (Incl.Tax) £0.00
    Grand Total (Excl.Tax) £124.98
    VAT (20%) £25.00
    Tax £25.00
    Grand Total (Incl.Tax) £149.98
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 8:13 PM
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    trouble with SSD is the size of drives my current HDD is 148GB and only 25GB free and my ext HDD is 232GB with 145GB free, so even a 250GB is twice what i have now.

    this is what i have paid for
    so 55 for the 1TB drive, which is roughly what ebay sellers charge
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    You don't use the SSD to store your data.
    In the example of the Optiplex above, you fit the SSD, takes five to ten minutes. Change the Boot drive to the SSD and clean install Windows 7/10 to it. No cost as the licence is still valid.
    Then you can move the data over to the 250 GB HDD already installed or simply fit the drive from your old PC and access the data at your leisure.
    I think that I have three storage drives in my Optiplex.

    Optiplex towers are designed for quick and easy access. Ask AndyPix, he will tell you. Easy Peasy, Lemon Squeezy. He'll also agree that £150 is too much for your machine.

    Easy to guide you through the scenarios.
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 8:22 PM
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    So in that example, you can choose to boot in to Windows 7 on one drive(SSD) and Windows 10(already installed) on another and install your existing drive too, but just use it for storage.

    At £150, you have a lot of options. For instance, you can buy a Tower with the same spec as the one you just purchased, fit an SSD, and a graphics card with HDMI output(can plug into your HD TV for instance), and USB wireless adaptor for WiFi and Bluetooth.

    So a much better all round PC. Yours for me is really not worth more than £70. It's just really basic. I stated £100 because of the warranty.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 8:26 PM
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    Wasn't suggesting that you buy from an unknown seller. Just illustrating the basic cost of your machine.
    You should expect a 3rd Gen i5 CPU at that price with a bit of searching. But even without that, you can get a reasonably powerful Quad Core CPU and have enough left in the budget for a 120GB solid state drive.

    Quick example;
    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/dell-optiplex-960-250gb-4gb
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newly-Refurbished-Dell-OptiPlex-960-Core2-Quad-Q9550-2-83GHz-250GB-2-x-2GB-/162453262933

    Same seller. So eBay is not the issue. Just choose a good seller

    So £91.77 inc delivery and £45.59 for SSD; http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/pb/Toshiba-Solid-State-Drive-Q300-120-GB/id=4152475/

    Extend the warranty to twelve months for another £25 if you are nervous.

    A much better performer. Super-fast because of the combination of good CPU and SSD.

    Looking around will likely reveal even better deals. But yours is £50 too much. Really not worth it.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    yes i have used Dell for the last 22 years and only had 2 Dell PCs. i did purchase a cheap Optiplex GX520 a few years back for £25, but kids use that to play their colouring games, it is not even connected to internet.

    i was looking at encore, such as https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/stone-desktop-320gb-4gb-967 but never heard of stone, so no idea how reliable they are
    Last edited by angryparcel; 08-06-2017 at 8:29 PM.
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 8:32 PM
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    yes i have used Dell for the last 22 years and only had 2 Dell PCs. i did purchase a cheap Optiplex GX520 a few years back for £25, but kids use that to play their colouring games, it is not even connected to internet.

    i was looking at encore, such as https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/stone-desktop-320gb-4gb-967 but never heard of stone, so no idea how reliable they are
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    STONE Group have been around a long time. Probably supplying schools etc
    Don't buy Small Form Factor. Better a Tower. More versatile and better heat distribution.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 8:39 PM
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    STONE Group have been around a long time. Probably supplying schools etc
    Don't buy Small Form Factor. Better a Tower. More versatile and better heat distribution.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    like this

    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/stone-tower?nosto=nosto-page-product2 £103 and that is upgrade to 6GB and remove OS as i have a win 10 licence and also a win 8 licence

    i have emailed to see if i can cancel the order
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 8:49 PM
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    like this

    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/stone-tower?nosto=nosto-page-product2 £103 and that is upgrade to 6GB and remove OS as i have a win 10 licence and also a win 8 licence

    i have emailed to see if i can cancel the order
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    I can say anything about STONE built PCs as I don't know what components are used. So support outside warranty might be more complicated. That's why I linked to DELL Optiplex, as they are well supported. But if you are going to take a twelve month warranty with them, perhaps ok.
    Keep it in mind and perhaps keep looking.

    You can cancel the order. If they try to say that it has already been sent, simply don't accept delivery.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 9:02 PM
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    I can say anything about STONE built PCs as I don't know what components are used. So support outside warranty might be more complicated. That's why I linked to DELL Optiplex, as they are well supported. But if you are going to take a twelve month warranty with them, perhaps ok.
    Keep it in mind and perhaps keep looking.

    You can cancel the order. If they try to say that it has already been sent, simply don't accept delivery.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    components no problem as i can change them, thats what has kept my Dell Machines going for 10 years, but they come to a point where upgrading is uneconomical and with dells a lot of their major components are hardcoded so will only work on their systems, so replacing a dell processor with a say AMD processor will not work on a dell Motherboard.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 9:09 PM
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    I can say anything about STONE built PCs as I don't know what components are used. So support outside warranty might be more complicated. That's why I linked to DELL Optiplex, as they are well supported. But if you are going to take a twelve month warranty with them, perhaps ok.
    Keep it in mind and perhaps keep looking.

    You can cancel the order. If they try to say that it has already been sent, simply don't accept delivery.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    looks like plenty of ports etc.
    https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/hardware/desktops/tower/

    not big power thought 350 Watt 80+ Bronze, but as school PCs power would not be critical as they would have been powered by the network
    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 8th Jun 17, 9:15 PM
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    looks like plenty of ports etc.
    https://www.stonegroup.co.uk/hardware/desktops/tower/

    not big power thought 350 Watt 80+ Bronze, but as school PCs power would not be critical as they would have been powered by the network
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    No mention of the Motherboard, but you can ask before purchase.
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 8th Jun 17, 9:26 PM
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    No mention of the Motherboard, but you can ask before purchase.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    just sent encore a message asking about MB and if a 2nd hdd drive can be added
    • toshi
    • By toshi 9th Jun 17, 9:14 AM
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    As WAYT offered excellent recommendation. I leave everything to him, Hope angryparcel cancelled, (even paying restocking charge, it would be worth?)

    SSD:

    The Best Price : SSD 120GB 39.47 pound (But you have to wait. use same Toshiba TLC)

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0194MV82I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

    But if you can afford, get 250/256GB?

    but never heard of stone, so no idea how reliable they are
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    STONE Group have been around a long time. Probably supplying schools etc
    Originally posted by WAYT
    I bought my HP elitebook a couple of years ago from Stone/Encore eBay shop, I was so impressed with the quality (product as well as packing etc) I did made a quick research.

    It seems they are public sector specialist; they don't do B to C business, relatively unknown outside public sector. But I would find the potential advantage buying from Stone/Encore. (Even I subscribe their news letter)

    You know the original seller: Stone
    You know the original users: Stone's customer
    You know the refurbish seller: Stone (They collected their products and resell them)

    Stone would be reasonably confident how the products have been maintained at their customers site, so they would be reasonably confident to offer 90 days warranty (you can upgrade to 1 year warranty) They have no middle man, and they may not have to make a money a lot from refurbishing business as this is not their core business.

    Some of so called Refurbishes are more or less box shifters and/or doing processing business. I have got some second hand desktop computers for backup use, but I doubt they have been left at storage with really bad condition. (I found a minor rust in one of PC cases!! no good at all )

    If the price is OK, you may want to buy from Stone/Encore. (No affiliation !)

    If anybody who knows similar republish resellers, I love to know them.

    Happy SSD computing!
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 9th Jun 17, 9:40 AM
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    No mention of the Motherboard, but you can ask before purchase.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    just got reply from encore

    Hi ******,

    I've just had a look at the stone tower in question it has an Intel DQ67SW and you can add a an extra HDD such as a SSD which shouldn't be a problem and you can use the original hard drive as secondary storage.

    ********-

    Encore PC
    this is MB specs
    http://ark.intel.com/products/51997/Intel-Desktop-Board-DQ67SW
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 9th Jun 17, 9:48 AM
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    As WAYT offered excellent recommendation. I leave everything to him, Hope angryparcel cancelled, (even paying restocking charge, it would be worth?)

    SSD:

    The Best Price : SSD 120GB 39.47 pound (But you have to wait. use same Toshiba TLC)

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0194MV82I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

    But if you can afford, get 250/256GB?





    I bought my HP elitebook a couple of years ago from Stone/Encore eBay shop, I was so impressed with the quality (product as well as packing etc) I did made a quick research.

    It seems they are public sector specialist; they don't do B to C business, relatively unknown outside public sector. But I would find the potential advantage buying from Stone/Encore. (Even I subscribe their news letter)

    You know the original seller: Stone
    You know the original users: Stone's customer
    You know the refurbish seller: Stone (They collected their products and resell them)

    Stone would be reasonably confident how the products have been maintained at their customers site, so they would be reasonably confident to offer 90 days warranty (you can upgrade to 1 year warranty) They have no middle man, and they may not have to make a money a lot from refurbishing business as this is not their core business.

    Some of so called Refurbishes are more or less box shifters and/or doing processing business. I have got some second hand desktop computers for backup use, but I doubt they have been left at storage with really bad condition. (I found a minor rust in one of PC cases!! no good at all )

    If the price is OK, you may want to buy from Stone/Encore. (No affiliation !)

    If anybody who knows similar republish resellers, I love to know them.

    Happy SSD computing!
    Originally posted by toshi
    this is their cancel quote in their Terms for consumers

    1.20 Your legal right to cancel a Contract starts from the date of the Dispatch Confirmation, which is when the Contract between us is formed. Once the Products have been delivered to you, you have a period of fourteen (14) calendar days in which you may cancel, starting from the day after the day you receive the Products.
    this is what they say for business customers
    Business Customer’s right of return and refund



    1.27 Within seven working days of delivery you may return Products to us under this clause because they are faulty or mis-described and we will refund the price of a defective Products in full, including any applicable delivery charges, and any reasonable costs you incur in returning the item to us.

    1.28 In the Company’s sole discretion, within three working days after delivery, the Company may allow you to return a Products that is not faulty or mis-described. You will be responsible for the cost of returning the Products to us or, where relevant, the cost of us collecting the Products from you. Any Products returned under this Clause 1.28 will be subject to a 25% restocking fee.
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