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    • GT60
    • By GT60 7th Jun 17, 11:05 AM
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    windows embolom and starting windows
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    • 7th Jun 17, 11:05 AM
    windows embolom and starting windows 7th Jun 17 at 11:05 AM
    A bit of a long one sorry.
    I used the Hard drive out of an old XP desktop in a CCTV system
    I used it for a bit and then delted the recording and now decided to put it back in the PC and load windows 7 or XP on the pc with this Hard drive.
    every time i have tried to get the pc to started it says something about the bois not being installed and sometimes i get something about "arry"
    i have managed to change the boot order to the DVD and it then restarted on its own, a message that has kept popping up is ......... no bios installed
    It eventualy loaded the windows files (black screen and white line at the bottom) but them the pc stickes on the windows emblem and starting windows
    what am i doing wrong?
    Thanks
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th Jun 17, 9:01 PM
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    I was just thinking you could probably get a drive off eBay for less than WERE will pay in postage.

    Put an ad on your local Freecycle.org asking for an old hard disk (IDE or SATA).

    If you do get the IDE do you have two IDE cables on your PC (the grey ribbon cables)?
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th Jun 17, 9:04 PM
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    Did I remember it rightly that you wanted this for your kids to use for songs or something.

    If you use Linux you will have access to far less software.

    The first thing you need to do is find what OS the software you plan to use runs under (windows/Linux)

    Win7 is probably best bet.
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 18th Jun 17, 9:13 PM
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    I don't have any other grey cables, but getting an HD of freecycle or the freebie pages on Facebook isn't a bad idea
    I though Linux was the OS?
    surely if I am putting Linux on and then an OS it will need tons of space
    so begs the question whats the point of Linux?
    thanks again
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th Jun 17, 9:18 PM
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    Linux is an alternative to Windows, it is free and includes free open source versions of WP, Spreadsheet, etc.

    You can get Firefox and other browsers, so if your needs were just normal browsing and office apps is a good option for old machines, but if you want to run bespoke software you may be better off with Windows.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th Jun 17, 9:20 PM
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    Your DVD is on your 2nd IDE port, usually it is better to put disk on it's own cable, which you would plug into 1st IDE port
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 18th Jun 17, 9:30 PM
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    Jusat for fun well sort of
    if I where to play at upgrading and say got this http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/components-and-upgrades/processors/asus-maximus-ix-hero-motherboard-10158093-pdt.html
    would I then need http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/components-and-upgrades/graphics-cards/asus-dual-geforce-gtx-1060-graphics-card-10155503-pdt.html and the rest of the list that PC world have?
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th Jun 17, 9:39 PM
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    They would be complete overkill both in terms of money and need..
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    • were
    • By were 18th Jun 17, 9:53 PM
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    Win7 is probably best bet.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Eeeeek !, Should work on pata, but on sata its the Promise, raid using XP? x64 bit Promise drivers. A quick google say the sound drivers dont work on 7, and there is another weird way to install them. I'd do windows 10 and hope it works.

    OK, 80GB works fine at the mo, providing it does not overheat and die. It is currently erasing under Linux . Comes with ide cable. Don't screw the drive in, make sure it all works before assembly and that drive has one 3 modes to be configured via jumpers

    Less chance of getting a virus with Linux. Less chance the kids will break it It does have media players and video stuff 95% if the time can do what windows does, but when it comes to games it is another story. You could also put vitualbox on it and run possibly any version windows, and let virtual box deal with the inconsistencies?

    Windows 10 with page file is near 20gig. By the time you add a few apps and browser and av, a large portion is gone.

    Postage date is a possible Tuesday eve-ish, by the look of it - on the way to the Steak meal deal at Wetherspoons
    Last edited by were; 18-06-2017 at 10:05 PM.
    • GT60
    • By GT60 18th Jun 17, 9:54 PM
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    Sorry I meant would I need both and the rest of the list or would the mother board have all the bits on it?
    Just a thought
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 18th Jun 17, 9:58 PM
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    Thank you.
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    • were
    • By were 18th Jun 17, 10:06 PM
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    Sorry I meant would I need both and the rest of the list or would the mother board have all the bits on it?
    Just a thought
    Originally posted by GT60
    I do not understand you, sorry.

    All you have to do is go to the bios as below and check that the Primary IDE says something other than "Not detected", Seagate, or ST???? will be fine.

    You need to check the boot order, cd being first and the new disk second. After installation is complete, make the new disk first in the boot order.

    Disable the onboard promise card, and leave the via alone disabled. Put the sata cables in a safe place with the molex to sata power converter cable before installing any o/s


    Last edited by were; 18-06-2017 at 10:23 PM.
    • GT60
    • By GT60 19th Jun 17, 9:55 AM
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    I do not understand you, sorry.

    All you have to do is go to the bios as below and check that the Primary IDE says something other than "Not detected", Seagate, or ST???? will be fine.

    You need to check the boot order, cd being first and the new disk second. After installation is complete, make the new disk first in the boot order.

    Disable the onboard promise card, and leave the via alone disabled. Put the sata cables in a safe place with the molex to sata power converter cable before installing any o/s


    Originally posted by were
    I was taking about IF I bought a motherboard would I need a graphics card or does it come with one?
    This is just a hypothetical question and info for in the future if I ever decided to build a pc
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 19th Jun 17, 10:04 AM
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    Sorry I don't understand this bit.
    Disable the onboard promise card, and leave the via alone disabled. Put the sata cables in a safe place with the molex to sata power converter cable before installing any o/s


    Thanks
    Niall
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 19th Jun 17, 2:11 PM
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    You have an old system, I know the motherboard but not the CPU or RAM, you will soon have an 80gb IDE drive.

    It is from the era of WinXP but may run Win7 or Linux.

    Remind us what you want to use it for, I think you said some music apps for your kids.

    That may be possible.

    If not then it is probably beyond economic repair, meaning that it would be cheaper to buy a £55 to £65 desktop from the link below


    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/desktops

    Particularly the ones with 4gb of RAM

    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/hp-compaq-6000-pro-250gb-4gb-664

    or

    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/hp-compaq-8000-elite-250gb-4gb-763

    The most basic system built would be a new motherboard (with basic but adequate onboard graphics), Ram and CPU at around £33 each plus perhaps an SSD for £50, so you are looking at £150 for a system that would probably not be as fast as one of the above
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 19th Jun 17, 2:32 PM
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    David it will just be something to prove that I can get a PC working again and may one of my sons will use it for browsing etc. it is not going to be a main PC
    the mother board question is just to see how much all the parts would be to build an all sing all dancing pc from scratch sometime in the future when I have enough money saved up
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    • were
    • By were 19th Jun 17, 3:00 PM
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    Sorry I don't understand this bit.
    Disable the onboard promise card, and leave the via alone disabled. Put the sata cables in a safe place with the molex to sata power converter cable before installing any o/sl
    Originally posted by GT60
    disable in the bios Onboard Promise controller.

    #the onChip SATA Bootrom should already be disabled.


    While it is open, remove the sata drive, which you have already done, disconnect the thin sata cable.

    While you are there you may as well salvage the molex (white power connector) to black sata power connector. Pull the white plastic of the plugs, not the wires. Just follow th saya power cable in the picture below to the white connector



    To be honest after this episode, I am dissuaded from ever buying an Asus motherboard or amd chip, because even out old manky wintell Dells at work, which are probably older then this, still work on windows 7, and besides SCSI raid controllers I have not had to F6 or put any drivers on via usb in a over a decade
    • GT60
    • By GT60 19th Jun 17, 3:46 PM
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    I have binned the HD but went and got the molex out of the bin and promptly lost it whilst cutting the circuit board in halve to put molex in so I don't lose it
    Not having a good day today
    WERE your post's are displaying correctly half the post's are missing
    Last edited by GT60; 19-06-2017 at 4:12 PM.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 19th Jun 17, 4:23 PM
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    David it will just be something to prove that I can get a PC working again and may one of my sons will use it for browsing etc. it is not going to be a main PC
    the mother board question is just to see how much all the parts would be to build an all sing all dancing pc from scratch sometime in the future when I have enough money saved up
    Originally posted by GT60
    I have no doubt you could get it working again, what you have to bear in mind is the era of the PC, you are going to be limited to the speeds of the motherboard, for example the SATA on that box only supported 150mb/s . later ones supported 300 and 600.

    So it is not worth getting anything too fancy for it.

    If it is just for browsing then Linux Mint as suggested by Were may be an option but you will need to get your head around Linux, plenty of people on here who will help you with that.

    With regard to all singing all dancing PC you can spend silly money and it is just not worth it IMO

    You should also place a value on your time, you might have a better things to do, one of those on my post above will be far more forgiving.

    ASUS is a good brand, issue is age of kit.

    You have four SATA ports on that mobo I am sure you could get two working but I can also see some benefit it taking a club hammer to it.

    There is a tipping point where you just want to get shot of stuff
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 19th Jun 17, 5:15 PM
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    "" can also see some benefit it taking a club hammer to it.
    There is a tipping point where you just want to get shot of stuff ""


    I agree it is just because I have time on my hands my home is decorated and all to how I want it thanks to friends and now I am looking for things to do within my mobility capabilities instead of zombing out watching TV
    I cant sit still for long with out my body seizing up and I get bored very easy hence playing with the pc but all your post's and WERE's post's scared me as I didn't understand them that well but thanks to yours and WERE's patience's I got through
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 19th Jun 17, 6:08 PM
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    You can demystify this stuff by watching youtube videos

    it is not rocket science, consider it a jigsaw
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