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    • GT60
    • By GT60 7th Jun 17, 11:05 AM
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    windows embolom and starting windows
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    • 7th Jun 17, 11:05 AM
    windows embolom and starting windows 7th Jun 17 at 11:05 AM
    A bit of a long one sorry.
    I used the Hard drive out of an old XP desktop in a CCTV system
    I used it for a bit and then delted the recording and now decided to put it back in the PC and load windows 7 or XP on the pc with this Hard drive.
    every time i have tried to get the pc to started it says something about the bois not being installed and sometimes i get something about "arry"
    i have managed to change the boot order to the DVD and it then restarted on its own, a message that has kept popping up is ......... no bios installed
    It eventualy loaded the windows files (black screen and white line at the bottom) but them the pc stickes on the windows emblem and starting windows
    what am i doing wrong?
    Thanks
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 8th Jun 17, 8:23 PM
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    Hi were do you mind if we finish this tomorrow
    I hope the latest photos make sense all that was removed was the HD no other cables have been disconnected I think for some reason your writing is half missing and I am reading it on a desktop
    Thanks very much for all your help
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 8th Jun 17, 8:29 PM
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    the big grey cable is for the DVD drive if this helps as I don't understand this IDE
    the other photo is of the HD with the small grey cable
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    • were
    • By were 8th Jun 17, 8:33 PM
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    notice on bottom right hand side under the ide socket, each port is labled ide1 or ide2. the one closest to the poser is often ide1, but both are close in your case.
    • were
    • By were 8th Jun 17, 8:38 PM
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    no problem tomorrow.

    Your windows was complaining about ide. The CD/DVD drive uses ide. If this has not been re-cabled, then it is very possibly a fingers changing bios.
    • GT60
    • By GT60 9th Jun 17, 1:42 PM
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    no problem tomorrow.

    Your windows was complaining about ide. The CD/DVD drive uses ide. If this has not been re-cabled, then it is very possibly a fingers changing bios.
    Originally posted by were
    I have now put the big grey cable in the IDE1
    is there any other photos you need as I am certain no cables were change but I may have altered something when changing the boot mode to DVD
    Thanks
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 10th Jun 17, 8:38 PM
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    This is the original issue with this pc Before we took out the HD for the CCTV system
    I will photograph everything and post as my son took out the HD and he cant remember how it went
    Thank you very very much
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5159201
    Originally posted by GT60
    THAT was from 2015

    Hard to see any relevance, except disk was unreliable disk and you used Hiren,

    That PC is so dusty I am getting urge to clean it, that dust will not help.

    OK so forget my previous post about IDE because it seems your hard disk is SATA



    If you could take a photo of other side of drive so we can see model number and maybe description for those jumpers or list the model of hard disk, chances are they just set the speed of the SATA interface, but I ask in case you changed them and in case it is relevant.

    SATA makes things easier because there are less variable to go wrong, For example the socket this end of the cable is plugged into.



    I would also like you to power up the machine and feel the hard disk, is it getting power and spinning?

    If so it seems it is a config issue, rarely need to chan

    What has NOT changed is that your system is not seeing the hard disk.

    If you have checked the cables are connected properly you could try the other SATA port on the motherboard.

    You really need to get into BIOS, by pressing F2 or Del key as it is booting, probably before Fastek bios loads.

    I notice when SATA controller loads is says to press Tab, have you tried that, it may take you to a screen to configure that controller, I would be interested to know if it can see the drive.

    The problem you have is that the PC Bios may be telling it to boot somewhere else and even disable SATA.

    So you need to get in there.
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    • were
    • By were 10th Jun 17, 11:18 PM
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    On top of DavidsP24 post above, try this too.

    Here is a manual similar to your mboard, but the switches in front of the blue ide socket are missing from the illustrations and the manual.

    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/409763/Asus-A8v-Deluxe.html?page=25#manual

    I would take that grey sata cable and plug it into the other port. Newer mother boards scan the sata bus, but the first incarnations of sata some only booted of the first port.


    This may help you too, if the mboard is correct https://www.asus.com/support/Download/1/21/1/1/17/
    Last edited by were; 17-06-2017 at 12:39 PM. Reason: different model mboard - corrected
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 11th Jun 17, 12:16 AM
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    Thanks Were for taking the trouble to do an image.

    It is what I meant when I said

    "SATA makes things easier because there are less variable to go wrong, For example the socket this end of the cable is plugged into."

    But yours is better
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 11th Jun 17, 1:51 PM
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    Sorry I don't understand
    "maybe description for those jumpers or list the model of hard disk, chances are they just set the speed of the SATA interface, but I ask in case you changed them and in case it is relevant."

    The HD is vibrating when I turn the PC on








    If you have checked the cables are connected properly you could try the other SATA port on the motherboard.
    I have tried the big grey cable and the small one for the HD in the other sockets


    You really need to get into BIOS, by pressing F2 or Del key as it is booting, probably before Fastek bios loads.

    I notice when SATA controller loads is says to press Tab, have you tried that, it may take you to a screen to configure that controller, I would be interested to know if it can see the drive.


    I get this screen not sure what to do though
    The problem you have is that the PC Bios may be telling it to boot somewhere else and even disable SATA
    what is "SATA"?


    I do get to the select place to install the OS but the HD shows as 0 GB
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 11th Jun 17, 1:52 PM
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    • GT60
    • By GT60 11th Jun 17, 1:56 PM
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    I forgot to try the download that Were mentioned a while back sorry
    I will try that later today or tomorrow and see if that will let me delete anything that still may be on the HD
    I am still certain that non of the cables have been unplugged before my son took out the HD
    The HD is still vibrating and is warm to the touch after being on for about 15 minutes now
    I am now letting windows load again with the two grey cables in the other socket you have said to try
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    • were
    • By were 11th Jun 17, 11:13 PM
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    GT60. A bit unsure, but think you are in the wrong bios. Think you are in the raid controller bios set up one, which you do not want to set up. You want the motherboard bios.

    sata boot rom I would guess you should enable disable (some post on forums say enable. others disable - try them both), as enabling it is for raid https://www.manualslib.com/manual/409763/Asus-A8v-Deluxe.html?page=90#manual
    https://www.hardocp.com/article/2004/08/24/asus_a8v_deluxe/3
    https://hardforum.com/threads/asus-a8v-deluxe-bios-wont-detect-sata-hd.1001386/
    https://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?board_id=1&model=A8V+Deluxe&id=201101211 02956086&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
    https://hardforum.com/threads/asus-a8v-problem-booting-from-sata-or-seeing-other-sata-drives.788466/
    Jumbled mixed answers. Clearly people are having difficulty. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/245624-32-does-asus-drivers-sata-drive
    Think this may be the answer, but you need a floppy with the sata/raid drivers on it: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=468497

    Sneaky suspicion there are no windows 7 or above drivers, as this wan mentioned in another forum? need drivers from chipset manufacturer. Drivers: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/installing-sata-drive-to-asus-a8v-deluxe.2250095/

    But i would disable the OnBoard Promise Controller, as you are not using raid.
    Last edited by were; 12-06-2017 at 1:26 AM.
    • GT60
    • By GT60 12th Jun 17, 11:57 AM
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    The big grey cable now has a split in it and two of the wire have broken off
    What I don't understand is why the PC wont boot after removing the HD and then putting it back.


    I don't have a floppy disk drive on the pc and don't understand the replies sorry
    Yes I may have altered something in the boot menus but I don't know what sorry


    The PC takes an hour to get to the windows files loading stage so you can imagine my frustration
    I think it is time to give up on this Idea now of trying to fix the pc I thought it would be just a case of putting an OS disc in it and booting the PC
    Thank you very much for all your help
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 12th Jun 17, 12:14 PM
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    That is starting to make sense, there are two sata cables, the larger one is power and the smaller (grey in your case) is the data cable/

    In the previous image it was recognising the device but not the size of the drive.

    This suggested a fault either with the cable or the controller.

    So you need to get hold of a SATA data cable

    This is the cheapest I found on ebay at 99p

    www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162518003944

    Alternatively if you have another computer to borrow one from you could confirm my thinking.

    You can't rely on a cable that is broken so you might as well get it.
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    • were
    • By were 12th Jun 17, 2:39 PM
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    Two SATA controllers are on this mboard. This board will either boot off the raid controller (promise), or boot off the normal SATA controller - your choice. It is reported that that mboard needs sata drivers either way, usually on a floppy that needs to be installed when when installing windows xp (read the links in my previous post), from floppy via F6 key when instructed on the screen, similar to vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oDT40ewh90

    Due to age a usb probably will not work to install drivers? You could also slipstream the sata drivers onto the xp installation disk via nlite. Asus supported the motherboard up to XP. A windows 7 installation is much harder and you have to search for 3rd party drivers that work.

    I would recommend you try 10 as it may have the correct drivers, but if that fails use XP, because we know xp works, and there are SATA drivers to download for xp. Once you have got the basics to boot and run, then you can put on something newer on.

    is this the 'big grey cable' which is ide that has split in the pic below, or as DavidP24 says the sata? A few grey cables in there.


    Boot speed: on boot the system is looking for something and waiting. Possibly the Disk? Go to the bios and check the boot order: dvd first (installation media source?) and your sata disk second. It does boot from dvd?

    To be honest, for you it may be easiest to get a ide to sata converter and run that drive as an ide, but I would not do it.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-3-5-IDE-to-SATA-SATA-to-IDE-ATA100-133-HDD-Converter-Adapter-Cables-PC-/252250070103?hash=item3abb469c57:g:duMAAOSwGotWlfP Z
    • GT60
    • By GT60 12th Jun 17, 3:24 PM
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    Sorry I presumed when Floppy was mentioned I needed a floppy disc

    Due to age a usb probably will not work to install drivers?
    I did try the USB this morning but it just sat on the black screen with the curser for an hour
    You could also slipstream the sata drivers onto the xp installation disk via nlite.
    I was going to say this is also going over my head but I have googled it and looks very complicated like the other links you gave me to read

    I would recommend you try 10 as it may have the correct drivers, but if that fails use XP, because we know xp works, and there are SATA drivers to download for xp. Once you have got the basics to boot and run, then you can put on something newer on.
    Is this windows 10?

    is this the 'big grey cable' which is ide that has split in the pic below, or as DavidP24 says the sata? A few grey cables in there.
    Yes the Big grey cable has a split in it and broken wires

    Boot speed: on boot the system is looking for something and waiting. Possibly the Disk? Go to the bios and check the boot order: dvd first (installation media source?) and your sata disk second. It does boot from dvd?
    This is by tapping F6 or F2 as I do tap them and about a minute or so later the boot screen comes up ( the screen with the 4 or 5 options grey writing and a blue background) I will post a photo

    I have also just noticed the sata 2 plug which is the one in use on the circuit board is loose (wobbles) so must have a bad connection to the board
    Can I use Sata 1 connection?

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    • GT60
    • By GT60 12th Jun 17, 3:30 PM
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    I have been trying to load windows 7 on the PC also so from what you are saying isn't going to work just yet


    How easy would it be for me to rebuild the tower in to a fast up to date PC instead?
    with new components.

    also I haven't been using anything for static protection either as I thought installing an OS would be easy but I now know it is not that straight forward, I didn't know the mother board thing has software installed on it also ( the Floppy F6 thing)
    Thank you once again for all your help
    you are really helpful and I appreciate you both spending all you time helping me
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    • were
    • By were 13th Jun 17, 1:08 AM
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    Sorry I presumed when Floppy was mentioned I needed a floppy disc

    Due to age a usb probably will not work to install drivers?
    I did try the USB this morning but it just sat on the black screen with the curser for an hour
    You could also slipstream the sata drivers onto the xp installation disk via nlite.
    I was going to say this is also going over my head but I have googled it and looks very complicated like the other links you gave me to read
    Originally posted by GT60
    The earlier implementations of usb v2 did not boot from usb, and the bios possibly also has no setting for that either.

    XP did not come with sata drivers, however some manufacturers like Dell did add sata drivers to their XP installation CD. Your sata drivers were/are on a floppy disk, and the installation/utility cd for your mboard has these drivers on it and the raid sata drivers too - for xp. You are suppose to copy the drivers off and put them on the a:\ of the floppy disk so that when you boot the xp disk, it will display something about F6 for external drivers, and you insert the floppy, but with hindsight a usb drive may work on win 10, if the drivers are not already there???

    I would recommend you try 10 as it may have the correct drivers, but if that fails use XP, because we know xp works, and there are SATA drivers to download for xp. Once you have got the basics to boot and run, then you can put on something newer on.
    Is this windows 10?
    If you are lucky, windows 10 will have sata drivers that will work on your card. If it does not you can possibly download them from here??? http://www.driverscape.com/manufacturers/asus/laptops-desktops/a8v-e-deluxe/81330 Look under "Hard Disk Controller Drivers" not "VIA Serial ATA RAID Controller". Windows 10 will hopefully bypass you usb mboard/bios restrictions?

    The probable reason why windows 10 worked, is that you kept doing live upgrades.

    is this the 'big grey cable' which is ide that has split in the pic below, or as DavidP24 says the sata? A few grey cables in there.
    Yes the Big grey cable has a split in it and broken wires
    This is the first thing you have to replace. Once replaced you need to make sure you can boot from the DVD drive and the the windows DVD starts to load. This is the type of cable you need, the coloured wire goes to pin 1 which is marked on the board and drive, but your seem to be the correct way around. Make sure the cable you buy is long enough, better too long than too short. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20CM-40-PIN-IDE-ATA-MOTHERBOARD-TO-DRIVE-RIBBON-CABLE-DATA-TRANSFER-UK-SELLER-/263027212252?hash=item3d3da4bfdc:m:mAKeqw4pfYugVsB hO9C1BGw

    Just buy a new SATA cable too ( longer rather than shorter one, and one with the metal clip like existing one that grabs onto the drive)

    I have also just noticed the sata 2 plug which is the one in use on the circuit board is loose (wobbles) so must have a bad connection to the board
    Can I use Sata 1 connection?

    DavidP24 on post #24 asked you to use sata1. I did missed this too and also in post #25 asked you to put the sata cable into sata1 - the one with the red box around it. Do not worry about sata 2. Dont touch sata2

    Recap: (1) buy new ide cable of the correct length or longer and replace, put plug it into the blue one existing black socket, but clean grime first. (2) Carefully plug in sata cable into Sata 1 as per above photo, but clean grime first. (3) Make sure your PC can boot from the CD drive < main aim before anything else
    Last edited by were; 14-06-2017 at 12:32 AM.
    • were
    • By were 13th Jun 17, 1:38 AM
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    I have been trying to load windows 7 on the PC also so from what you are saying isn't going to work just yet

    How easy would it be for me to rebuild the tower in to a fast up to date PC instead?
    with new components.

    also I haven't been using anything for static protection either as I thought installing an OS would be easy but I now know it is not that straight forward, I didn't know the mother board thing has software installed on it also ( the Floppy F6 thing)
    Thank you once again for all your help
    you are really helpful and I appreciate you both spending all you time helping me
    Originally posted by GT60
    I think it at worst will eventually work, but will require you to watch a few youtube videos and burn a dvd or two and you have to get sata drivers onto that CD. If you get a floppy drive and cables, it could be cheap-ish and quicker. The easiest way it is going to work is to buy two ide ribbon cables and convert that sata disk to ide for £3.28 using http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-3-5-IDE-to-SATA-SATA-to-IDE-ATA100-133-HDD-Converter-Adapter-Cables-PC-/252250070103?hash=item3abb469c57:g:duMAAOSwGotWlfP %20%20Z
    The computer should see the drive as ide and the cd install straight off, bypassing sata.

    Providing you touch the chassis of the computer first (but really you should be in permanent contact with the chassis), static should not be an issue.

    Carefull upgrading to a new mboard. Current board follow some standard port positioning (or cut out pannel), the old ones did not, then there could well be mounting pillar location differences too. Possible power supply inadequacies, especially if you upgrade the cpu. Possibly cheaper to buy something newer from ebay for less.

    It would not surprise me if you do the 3 things on the previous post, windows 10 installs.
    Last edited by were; 13-06-2017 at 2:54 AM.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 13th Jun 17, 9:02 AM
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    I have been trying to load windows 7 on the PC also so from what you are saying isn't going to work just yet

    How easy would it be for me to rebuild the tower in to a fast up to date PC instead?
    with new components.

    also I haven't been using anything for static protection either as I thought installing an OS would be easy but I now know it is not that straight forward, I didn't know the mother board thing has software installed on it also ( the Floppy F6 thing)
    Thank you once again for all your help
    you are really helpful and I appreciate you both spending all you time helping me
    Originally posted by GT60
    I can see that you are stuggling with the technical aspects of this but let me assure you that you can do this.

    First off order this

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162518003944

    and yes it will be fine in 2nd Sata port (if other one is wobbly leave it well alone)

    Right now there is no point trying to boot anything because you have a faulty sata cable, get that first and while you are waiting give the PC a good vacuum with soft brush attachment or carefully with nozzle end.

    Replacing Components inside tower is an option but hard to justify, as a rule of thumb you are looking at £100, £33 each for Motherboard, Ram and CPU, your hard disk is only 160gb and that is if it still works plus you would still need SATA cable.

    If you really can't face this then the link below has PC's from £55

    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/desktops

    This would be my recommendation

    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/hp-compaq-6000-pro-250gb-4gb-660

    HP Compaq 6000 Pro -
    Core2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz -
    250GB Hard Drive -
    4GB Memory

    Most of others have 2gb

    Later you could add SSD for £45 and make it fly

    http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/pb/Toshiba-Solid-State-Drive-Q300-120-GB/id=4152475/

    If course you could but the sata cable and add that SSD to your current PC, you might need a £7 caddy if your tower did not have right sized bay, or you could blue tac it into place!!
    Last edited by DavidP24; 13-06-2017 at 9:04 AM.
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