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    • ps2659
    • By ps2659 7th Jun 17, 8:41 AM
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    200 GB photo storage
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    • 7th Jun 17, 8:41 AM
    200 GB photo storage 7th Jun 17 at 8:41 AM
    I have an external hard drive with 200gig of photos and I worry that should this go faulty I would lose over 10 years of pictures, my question would it be better to back up with a second external hard drive or is there a low cost way to store this amount on an equivalent to icloud.
    Thanks in advance for any replies.
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    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 7th Jun 17, 9:53 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 9:53 AM
    I have an external hard drive with 200gig of photos and I worry that should this go faulty I would lose over 10 years of pictures, my question would it be better to back up with a second external hard drive or is there a low cost way to store this amount on an equivalent to icloud.
    Thanks in advance for any replies.
    Originally posted by ps2659
    There's an IT saying along the lines of "if your data isn't stored in at least 3 places it doesn't exist" so i would say, do both.

    In these days of ransomware, there's also a requirement for at least one of those copies to be offline apart from when backing it up. Otherwise, its possible the other copies, be they in cloud or local disk, will be encrypted along with the originals.

    I would advise, start by backing up locally to an additional disk, buy say a 500Gb disk and once a week plug it in, copy the current disk to that, unplug it. There are applications you can buy which will just copy the difference, so if you add 1Gb they will just copy the new 1Gb and not the last 200GB again.

    There are also online services which will backup at a schedule you pick into the cloud. Mozy is one such which i think generally gets good reports. I use one called Jungle Disk.

    If you googled something like "compare online backup services" no doubt you'll get dozens. Note the initial backup will take possibly days but it will happen in the background. If you have Amazon Prime they have unlimited photo storage which is pretty good for about £80 a year considering the other stuff you get, I'd use that myself but it doesn't work well with Apple.

    You can also use services like Dropbox to sync your photos folder into the cloud, I would guess that would be maybe a fiver a month for what you want. All these online cloud services will come with a scheduler or realtime sync up to their clouds.

    It would only take you a few minutes to sign up to dropbox or Mozy etc similar to start getting backed up online, and a 500Gb USB disk will cost maybe £30 or so. (I used to use Dropbox that works well.

    Here's what I do (you may think there is possibly an element of paranoia/ overkill here)
    I have a photos directory on my main drive.
    Every night an app runs that sycs that to a USB disk.
    Every night an app runs that sycs that USB disk to a copy.
    Every night an app runs that syncs my photo directory (and other stuff) to a cloud service.
    Occasionally, i plug in another HD and sync all my main files including photos to that disk, then unplug it. I should (but I dont) store that disk somewhere other than my house for triple protection.
    Last edited by AnotherJoe; 07-06-2017 at 9:55 AM.
    • ringo_24601
    • By ringo_24601 7th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
    As an FYI - if you plan on using Amazon Prime for photo storage - expect it to take a fair while to load up 200gb

    There is also the crazy option of printing off your most important photos and storing them somewhere safe
    • hop3y
    • By hop3y 7th Jun 17, 10:06 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 10:06 AM
    Use Google Photos - unlimited cloud storage.
    • TonyMMM
    • By TonyMMM 7th Jun 17, 10:14 AM
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    There is also the crazy option of printing off your most important photos and storing them somewhere safe
    Originally posted by ringo_24601
    Not crazy at all - proper printed photos will last much longer than most digital files !

    The advice above is sound - you should have them stored in at least 3 places, one of which is "offsite". I would also consider maybe spending a bit of time editing what you have and making sure the stuff you have is worth keeping.
    • bengalknights
    • By bengalknights 7th Jun 17, 10:39 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 10:39 AM
    Use Google Photos - unlimited cloud storage.
    Originally posted by hop3y
    Ditto this unlimited storage upto certain spec
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 7th Jun 17, 10:42 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 10:42 AM
    Use Google Photos - unlimited cloud storage.
    Originally posted by hop3y
    Another vote for Google Photos. Simple and automatic back up.
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    • glennevis
    • By glennevis 7th Jun 17, 11:01 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 11:01 AM
    Note that Google Photos storage is only free if you accept a reduction in quality. Original photos are subject to your data limit.
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 7th Jun 17, 11:32 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 11:32 AM
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    • 7th Jun 17, 11:32 AM
    A reduction in quality would be absolutely unacceptable to me so I'd say you should pay the extra to ?google drive? to make sure that doesn't happen.

    From what i read google photos itself is a pretty good service.

    p.s. I forgot i have an additional backup service I use, this is for an Apple phone but you can use others on Android (if you take pictures on your phone) which is an app that automatically syncs any pics I take to my computer when i get home. Once they are in the computer they then get sucked into my standard backup schedule.

    So as long as I've been home once since taking some photos they will be stored even if i lose the phone without me needing to do anything like manually copy the photos. You can also automatically sync from phone direct to a backup, say google or apple or dropbox depending what data services etc you have (and probably just when you are in range of wifi if you dont want to use up your data allowance)
    • angryparcel
    • By angryparcel 7th Jun 17, 12:01 PM
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    Use Google Photos - unlimited cloud storage.
    Originally posted by hop3y
    nothing is unlimited even in cloud storage , if a drive is 5TB then 5TB is the limit
    • ballyblack
    • By ballyblack 7th Jun 17, 1:50 PM
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    A reduction in quality would be absolutely unacceptable to me
    I use Google photos and I find their high quality free setting just fine.

    Why don't you try a small batch and see for yourself?
    • Strider590
    • By Strider590 7th Jun 17, 2:07 PM
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    Be careful with cloud storage, first of all it's still being stored on a HDD (SSD unlikely in a data centre).

    Secondly many of these cloud storage providers have small print that effectively makes your files their property, meaning they could take any of your photos and sell them.
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    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 7th Jun 17, 2:12 PM
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    I use Google photos and I find their high quality free setting just fine.

    Why don't you try a small batch and see for yourself?
    Originally posted by ballyblack
    If that was addressed to me, the issue would be that there is a point at which enlargements (perhaps of a section) would be noticeable whereas they wouldn't be with no compression. Or blow ups say on a large TV screen (which you might not have now but maybe on your 20k 60inch OLED TV in 20 years time, it would). Future proofing = keep the original.

    Plus, I am storing RAW photos as well (might also apply to the OP if they have 200GB), which I have no idea how GP would cope with but I'm sure it wouldn't be good or if it left them alone then 15GB wont cut it.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 7th Jun 17, 2:22 PM
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    If you didn't take your photos above 16MP then there is no reduction. So for the vast majority of 'Snaps' the quality is fine. Blow up to 24" pics should be OK.
    Obviously for Professional or enthusiast pictures it probably won't be enough. But, for us mere mortals It's fine.
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    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 7th Jun 17, 4:54 PM
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    If you didn't take your photos above 16MP then there is no reduction. So for the vast majority of 'Snaps' the quality is fine. Blow up to 24" pics should be OK.
    Obviously for Professional or enthusiast pictures it probably won't be enough. But, for us mere mortals It's fine.
    Originally posted by RumRat
    OK thanks thats a lot better, the impression from earlier posts was it was to all photos. Even so, just had a check of my RAWs are they are around 20Mb and thats quite an old camera I'd guess the newer version would be closer to 30Mb now. Nothing fancy either.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 7th Jun 17, 5:35 PM
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    OK thanks thats a lot better, the impression from earlier posts was it was to all photos. Even so, just had a check of my RAWs are they are around 20Mb and thats quite an old camera I'd guess the newer version would be closer to 30Mb now. Nothing fancy either.
    Originally posted by AnotherJoe
    It's 16 MP (MegaPixels) So if you used a 16 MP resolution camera/phone, or less, then you should be fine.
    As someone said, upload a few and try out what you want....
    Last edited by RumRat; 07-06-2017 at 5:45 PM.
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    • marvin
    • By marvin 7th Jun 17, 5:40 PM
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    My digital photos are stored on 2 external 5tb drives 1 external 500gb drive on my NAS on my website storage and on dropbox.

    Never have enough back-ups!

    I am thinking at some point to back them all up to CD as well but that will take a lot of CDs and a lot of time .
    I started with nothing and I am proud to say I still have most of it left.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 8th Jun 17, 9:23 AM
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    My digital photos are stored on 2 external 5tb drives 1 external 500gb drive on my NAS on my website storage and on dropbox.

    Never have enough back-ups!

    I am thinking at some point to back them all up to CD as well but that will take a lot of CDs and a lot of time .
    Originally posted by marvin
    You can get help on the NHS for that......
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    • rich68
    • By rich68 17th Jun 17, 10:31 PM
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    OK thanks thats a lot better, the impression from earlier posts was it was to all photos. Even so, just had a check of my RAWs are they are around 20Mb and thats quite an old camera I'd guess the newer version would be closer to 30Mb now. Nothing fancy either.
    Originally posted by AnotherJoe
    Actually, all photos are compressed when using the "high quality" setting. You can prove this by uploading a photo then downloading it again and comparing the file size in bytes. The 16MP thing just means the size in pixels (the resolution) is limited to 16MP. The quality is still being reduced.

    Google's compression is very good so you probably wouldn't notice the difference now but like you said earlier, in 20 years time with a very high definition display the differences may become apparent.
    • takman
    • By takman 18th Jun 17, 10:06 PM
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    nothing is unlimited even in cloud storage , if a drive is 5TB then 5TB is the limit
    Originally posted by angryparcel
    It's unlimited because they are increasing their data centers storage capacity's each year to be ahead of demand.

    So the data centers capacity may not be unlimited but you will never be able to fill it up because they are forever increasing it.
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