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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 19th May 17, 9:31 AM
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    Asbestos in house; Genuine hazard, or source of paranoia?
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    • 19th May 17, 9:31 AM
    Asbestos in house; Genuine hazard, or source of paranoia? 19th May 17 at 9:31 AM
    So the survey of the property I purchased recommends that on replacement of the boiler, the asbestos flue should go.

    The heating specialist informs me that the flue may not be able to be removed as it was built into the house at the time of the house construction, but if left alone it should be fine. The casing around the flue is also asbestos. He says he himself cant touch the casing, its up to me if I wish to get it removed, but once again if left alone it's fine.

    Asbestos is a hazard, but I we a bit too paranoid about it nowadays? Is it necessary to ensure that every scrap of asbestos is removed? If he says he can't remove the flue, I'm inclined to just leave it in and get the air tested for asbestos once the job is done...
    Last edited by PhilE; 19-05-2017 at 9:45 AM.
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 19th May 17, 9:57 AM
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    If it doesn't contain loose fibres then it is safe, even safest, left in situ. Anything that has the asbestos fibres sealed in so it appears like a concrete or a solid board doesn't pose a risk unless disturbed.
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    • DumbMuscle
    • By DumbMuscle 19th May 17, 10:00 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 10:00 AM
    Asbestos is only a hazard if disturbed. The solid material will sit there happily not being on fire (which is, of course, what it's there for). The dust formed when it breaks will get into your lungs and do horrible things. It's generally worth removing if it can be done incidentally as part of other building works, if it's deteriorating (which your surveyor would have raised alarm bells at), or if other works would require messing with it, but otherwise best left alone. Just make sure to warn any contractors you have working on the house that it's there
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 19th May 17, 10:49 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 10:49 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 10:49 AM
    The heating specialist informs me that the flue may not be able to be removed as it was built into the house at the time of the house construction, but if left alone it should be fine. The casing around the flue is also asbestos. He says he himself cant touch the casing, its up to me if I wish to get it removed, but once again if left alone it's fine.
    Originally posted by PhilE
    Can you explain/clarify what you mean by 'casing' ?

    As the other posters have indicated, one kind of 'asbestos' is actually asbestos fibres incorporated into a binder material, often cement. Products like that would be properly called "Asbestos Cement ..." - and covers a whole range of building products including pipes and boards. Asbestos cement pipes were commonly used in heating applications, either as chimney liners, or the pipe connecting the boiler to the chimney. Asbestos cement is normally a dull grey colour, but in some cases may be painted or have a special surface finish.

    If the flue has a 'casing' this might suggest the inclusion of asbestos fibre lagging, which is a different material with a different and higher risk level.

    The HSE website has a lot of useful information about asbestos and how to deal with it. If it is the right kind of asbestos then leaving it in-situ and undisturbed may be the best approach as the previous posters have said.

    But if a professional has told you they 'can't touch' the casing then for peace of mind I would want to be sure exactly what the material you have is and whether it is safe to leave it undisturbed.

    Whatever you do, don't be tempted to try and remove it yourself - as DumbMuscle says, it can do horrible things to you, and to anyone else in the house who gets exposed.

    If you can provide a picture of the 'casing' this might help people to give you some guidance.
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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 20th May 17, 12:22 PM
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    • 20th May 17, 12:22 PM
    Can you explain/clarify what you mean by 'casing' ?

    As the other posters have indicated, one kind of 'asbestos' is actually asbestos fibres incorporated into a binder material, often cement. Products like that would be properly called "Asbestos Cement ..." - and covers a whole range of building products including pipes and boards. Asbestos cement pipes were commonly used in heating applications, either as chimney liners, or the pipe connecting the boiler to the chimney. Asbestos cement is normally a dull grey colour, but in some cases may be painted or have a special surface finish.

    If the flue has a 'casing' this might suggest the inclusion of asbestos fibre lagging, which is a different material with a different and higher risk level.

    The HSE website has a lot of useful information about asbestos and how to deal with it. If it is the right kind of asbestos then leaving it in-situ and undisturbed may be the best approach as the previous posters have said.

    But if a professional has told you they 'can't touch' the casing then for peace of mind I would want to be sure exactly what the material you have is and whether it is safe to leave it undisturbed.

    Whatever you do, don't be tempted to try and remove it yourself - as DumbMuscle says, it can do horrible things to you, and to anyone else in the house who gets exposed.

    If you can provide a picture of the 'casing' this might help people to give you some guidance.
    Originally posted by EachPenny

    The casing was unfortunately disturbed by the job, the installer said to just put some builders caulk on it. He replaced the section of the casing taken away during the removal of the flue with wood board.

    I'm wondering if he left my home in a safe state, as the asbestos has clearly been disturbed.

    Any advice on how to proceed much appreciated.
    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 20th May 17, 12:42 PM
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    • 20th May 17, 12:42 PM
    I'm not allowed by the forum to post photos, as I'm a new user. Moderator if you could amend this, that would be much appreciated.
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 20th May 17, 12:59 PM
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    Post a broken link. We will fix.

    You'll be allowed to post links after a certain number, there are no moderators.
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    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 20th May 17, 5:42 PM
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    • 20th May 17, 5:42 PM
    Had an asbestos remover around to give his opinion, this has turned into a bit of a drama. Best to start another thread on it....
    • Brook2017
    • By Brook2017 21st Jun 17, 10:59 AM
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    • 21st Jun 17, 10:59 AM
    Hi Does anyone know if this is likely to contain asbestos or just felt cover?.
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    • By hazyjo 21st Jun 17, 11:23 AM
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    Does anyone know if this is likely to contain asbestos or just felt cover?.
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    • By Brook2017 21st Jun 17, 11:23 AM
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    • hazyjo
    • By hazyjo 21st Jun 17, 11:29 AM
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    Is that meant to be a picture cos I'm hovering over that spam button at the mo... can you please explain?
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    • Brook2017
    • By Brook2017 21st Jun 17, 11:31 AM
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    Sorry yeah im new to the site and wont let me post a link..

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    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 21st Jun 17, 12:53 PM
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    Hi Does anyone know if this is likely to contain asbestos or just felt cover?.
    Originally posted by Brook2017
    Unfortunately it isn't possible to say it doesn't contain asbestos just by looking at a picture. You could only find out for sure by getting an expert to remove a sample for testing.

    It looks like felt pipe insulation, but without being able to see what is underneath it is impossible to say that it isn't felt pipe insulation wrapped around asbestos fibres. Sorry, I know that doesn't help much, but you need to have an accurate answer rather than a guess.

    The key point is why are you concerned? Are you planning on removing or altering the pipework?
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    • Brook2017
    • By Brook2017 21st Jun 17, 12:58 PM
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    Thanks for the reply, Yeah i will get it checked out as i am looking to buy the property and looking at additional expenses that may crop up

    I have another photo i took also..
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    • By jimbog 21st Jun 17, 1:05 PM
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    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 21st Jun 17, 1:12 PM
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    Thanks for the reply, Yeah i will get it checked out as i am looking to buy the property and looking at additional expenses that may crop up
    Originally posted by Brook2017
    It is difficult to tell for sure, but is the pipe actually doing anything? It appears to me the tanks are no longer in use?

    If they are in use then one of the things to consider as a possible additional expense is getting the water tanks properly supported - the wooden structure doesn't look anything like substantial enough to support the weight of the tank with water in it.
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    • AdrianC
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    • DaftyDuck
    • By DaftyDuck 21st Jun 17, 2:03 PM
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    Almost certainly not asbestos.... My best guess, anyway.
    • PhilE
    • By PhilE 21st Jun 17, 2:09 PM
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    Hi Does anyone know if this is likely to contain asbestos or just felt cover?.
    Originally posted by Brook2017
    Best to start a new thread, theres a button for that at the top left of the page.

    No one can tell if its asbestos for sure by looking at it, they can only speculate.

    Get a pro in to take a sample and get it tested. Don't cut corners with asbestos, get professional opinions from a trusted source. Don't work on it yourself, if your getting any work done on your house, again get pro advice.

    Tradesmen should follow a strict guideline on how to work with and around asbestos. If you get one whiff they are cowboys about this, show them the door. Asbestos can be a killer.
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