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    • Renaissance10
    • By Renaissance10 17th May 17, 11:59 PM
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    Wrong parking area allegation
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    • 17th May 17, 11:59 PM
    Wrong parking area allegation 17th May 17 at 11:59 PM
    Hi


    A while back I used someone's car to visit A&E. I got a Parking Charge Notice from Parking Eye. The actual alleged infringement was, I found unclear. It transpires that this was because of parking in a staff area for the hospital.


    I haven't divulged my name as the Driver as per what I have read. I had attempted to appeal based on my incorrect understanding that it was to with time expiring in a ticket (incorrect).As I said they were very vague I found. Thus we are a a few months on, I don't have a POPLA code though.


    I don't think I parked in the staff area of the hospital, genuinely the only reason would have been if the signs were unclear but I haven't been back to check that.


    The photographic evidence online doesn't show any infringement.


    I don't know how to appeal this, the template letter about unclear signage doesn't seen fully applicable in my understanding.


    Are they likely to have evidence of the infringement. Like I said I don't think I made a mistake but its possible.


    How do I approach, I am worried about further hassle for the RK.


    Many thanks.
    Last edited by Renaissance10; 18-05-2017 at 12:05 AM. Reason: clarity
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 18th May 17, 12:15 AM
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    • 18th May 17, 12:15 AM
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    • 18th May 17, 12:15 AM
    the RK hould have appealed online using the blue text template , unaltered

    and complained to PALS for a cancelletiaon

    PE issue tens of thousands of court claims annually, so it needs nipping in the bud asap

    at the moment , this charge is not in your name , which is why the RK may get the hassle
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Renaissance10
    • By Renaissance10 18th May 17, 12:27 AM
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    • 18th May 17, 12:27 AM
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    • 18th May 17, 12:27 AM
    OK Thank you.


    The have already got the RK's details, I imagine from the DVLA as the RK has received 2 letters.


    This relates back to January this year so I don't know if that has an affect.


    Should I ask for proof of the alleged contravention as I haven't seen any?


    To be clear, do you mean this one.

    Dear Sirs

    Re: PCN No. ....................

    I challenge this 'PCN' as keeper of the car.

    I believe that your signs fail the test of 'large lettering' and prominence, as established in
    ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis.
    Your unremarkable and obscure signs were not seen by the driver, are in very small print and the terms are not readable to drivers.

    There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. You must either rely on the POFA 2012 and offer me a POPLA code, or cancel the charge.

    Should you obtain the registered keeper's data from the DVLA without reasonable cause, please take this as formal notice that I reserve the right to sue your company and the landowner/principal, for a sum not less than £250 for any Data Protection Act breach. Your aggressive business practice and unwarranted threat of court for the ordinary matter of a driver using my car without causing any obstruction nor offence, has caused significant distress to me.

    I do not give you consent to process data relating to me or this vehicle. I deny liability for any sum at all and you must consider this letter a Section 10 Notice under the DPA. You are required to respond within 21 days. I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and look forward to your reply.

    Yours faithfully,
    Last edited by Renaissance10; 18-05-2017 at 5:34 PM. Reason: Clarity
    • Renaissance10
    • By Renaissance10 18th May 17, 5:51 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 5:51 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 5:51 PM
    Oh do I appeal as the Driver or should the RK appeal?
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 18th May 17, 6:43 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 6:43 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 6:43 PM
    What hospital was this? as it may be possible to dig some dirt up that could strengthen your hand
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th May 17, 12:49 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 12:49 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 12:49 AM
    Oh do I appeal as the Driver or should the RK appeal?
    Originally posted by Renaissance10
    Seriously? that's a fundamental clear point explained in the NEWBIES thread.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Renaissance10
    • By Renaissance10 19th May 17, 6:05 PM
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    • 19th May 17, 6:05 PM
    Doh!
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    • 19th May 17, 6:05 PM
    My bad. It was underneath. Tired.
    THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE KEEPER GOES HERE. THE DRIVER IS NOT IDENTIFIED.
    • Renaissance10
    • By Renaissance10 19th May 17, 6:07 PM
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    • 19th May 17, 6:07 PM
    Barnet Hospital
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    • 19th May 17, 6:07 PM
    Barnet Hospital, EN5 3DJ
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