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    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 17th May 17, 9:39 AM
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    Personal Cloud
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    • 17th May 17, 9:39 AM
    Personal Cloud 17th May 17 at 9:39 AM
    I am looking at buying a personal cloud. Main purpose is for accessing files and pictures outside of home, using either Ethernet or wifi in other locations.

    Currently looking at a WD 3TB My Cloud Personal Network Attached Storage - NAS - WDBCTL0030HWT-EESN.

    Has anyone had any experience of this or would they recommend a different one. I KNOW there are better ones that are way more expensive, but I just want a cheapish NAS unit.

    Thank you.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 17th May 17, 10:41 AM
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    The problem with personal clouds is your upload speed, you really need to be on the most expensive fibre packages to for it to work (76mb & above).

    I use Mega.nz and a few other to put certain file on but mostly I rotate NAS units on and off site.

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    • 17th May 17, 2:31 PM
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    • 17th May 17, 2:31 PM
    That's cheap but rather than going that way I've been looking into some of the very cheap Intel Atom based Windows 10 PCs and cloud software. Two main reasons:

    1. Windows Storage Spaces, so with three drives I get RAID5 equivalent protection and the ability to use some old drives in external cases for something useful, home backup as well as the cloud job.
    2. No single point of failure for whatever is on the drives since the array can be moved to any Windows 8 or later computer.

    Of course I will still do things like keeping a normally disconnected drive, cloud storage and DVD burning for things like ransomware protection.
    Last edited by jamesd; 22-05-2017 at 3:27 AM.
    • fenlander_uk
    • By fenlander_uk 17th May 17, 2:49 PM
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    The problem with personal clouds is your upload speed, you really need to be on the most expensive fibre packages to for it to work (76mb & above).

    I use Mega.nz and a few other to put certain file on but mostly I rotate NAS units on and off site.

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    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Not only speed. Some providers (e.g. Virgin Media, whose upload speeds are already a small percentage of download speed) further cap your upload data allowance. If you want to stream video, you'll be disappointed.
    • Frozen_up_north
    • By Frozen_up_north 17th May 17, 4:05 PM
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    Couple of issues with running your own cloud server at home, firstly reliability of the unit and secondly the electricity used may be as much as a paid for cloud backup using a 3rd party service. Running some home computers to spew weather data to sites every few minutes, etc. can cost around £100 a year. I used to do that and stopped on cost grounds.

    There's a review of various cloud storage solutions at:
    http://uk.pcmag.com/storage-devices-reviews/3682/guide/the-best-cloud-storage-and-file-sharing-services-of-2017
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 17th May 17, 4:49 PM
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    I bought a DLINK DNS340L and its brilliant. The power consumption is 15w max. So upto £15 a year. But unless your accessing it constantly it spends most of its time in sleep mode.

    Springs to life when you access it.

    4 drive bays with various RAID options. And if you want to keep your data really safe you could plug a USB drive into it and set it to auto
    back every hour or every day etc.
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    • 17th May 17, 7:12 PM
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    Not only speed. Some providers (e.g. Virgin Media, whose upload speeds are already a small percentage of download speed) further cap your upload data allowance. If you want to stream video, you'll be disappointed.
    Originally posted by fenlander_uk
    Even the capped upload speed of six megabits per second on the Virgin two hundred megabit download service is enough for streaming 1080p video. The full twelve megabits is about half of what 4k would really want, though. The 120 megabit download ones might be too slow though, if not using decent compression.
    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 17th May 17, 8:37 PM
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    OP..
    To answer your question, I have a WDMycloud NAS drive and it does what it says on the tin.
    It sits out of the way, contains my film collection for streaming around the house. I share files/films from it with family and friends and I've streamed from it while away from home.
    So for me and my usage, it works. I'm on Virgin Fibre and have never experienced any problems with streaming from it...
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    • tronator
    • By tronator 17th May 17, 10:06 PM
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    ... Running some home computers to spew weather data to sites every few minutes, etc. can cost around £100 a year. I used to do that and stopped on cost grounds.
    Originally posted by Frozen_up_north
    That's a ridiculous estimation for what the OP asked. To pay £100/year you'll need to run a device 24/7, which consumes about 100W. The OP looks for something like WD MyCloud, which consumes 10W or less.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJhm-eV_HA

    Even my ~5 year old i5 uses only 50W under normal operation.
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 18th May 17, 8:22 AM
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    Thank you all for your input.

    I was a bit surprised at the 100W consumption, but maybe I should have said more of what I was after.

    We are on Virgin fibre, 70 meg. Even if we changed (which is looking likely considering the attitude of virgin) we are within half a mile of the exchange and have fibre to the nearby cabinet, so downloads are unlikely to dip below 20 meg.

    What I am after is a backup and storage for photos and home videos, and this needs to be accessible from outside the house too, especially some files that are actually for our business. It will be used to backup computers when they are shut down, so may well be woken up only two or three times a day on average.

    We are unlikely to stream more than the home movies that we have, and that will only be once in a while.

    I am leaning towards WD because I have found them dependable in the past.

    If anything the unit will be underused, if it wasn't for the fact that we have often kicked ourselves for not having the right hard drive with us I would just stick with a stand-alone hard drive, but outside access is what we need.

    Thank you RumRat for your comments, it is nice to hear of someone with a good experience of similar items.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th May 17, 10:51 AM
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    I still think your internet connection will be your biggest barrier.

    Getting the files up there will take forever because it is the upload speed that is the issue.

    In Corp environment upload is great, is US it is not bad but in UK it is a real issue, even virgin limiting it.

    If it is just for photos and family videos is that not more of an archive function?

    You mention streaming, so is that streaming UP out of your home?

    For example the way Plex will allow you to share your library with friends on the Plex network?

    Streaming DOWN is no issue, not even on a decent ADSL but if you have 3tb of data you are going to lose the will to live while waiting for that to upload on sub 10mb upload, even with 20mb upload speed that data upload better be one off. However, truth is you need it in at least two clouds.

    I have loads of NAS units, but none of them on most of the time, got a 4tb USB powered external drive for local backup, everything there is backed up onto NAS units off site and important "mobile" files are in the cloud with two suppliers.

    You have to figure out what works for you in terms of day to day processes.

    I would also look at Netgear, just for comparison they also have a cloud linked service, videos on youtube
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    • paddyrg
    • By paddyrg 18th May 17, 12:20 PM
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    In Corp environment upload is great, is US it is not bad but in UK it is a real issue, even virgin limiting it.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Just to clarify, the A in ADSL stands for Asymmetric - ie you sacrifice some upload speed for better download speed, because this suits almost everyone, almost all of the time. Symmetrical connections are available, but measurably dearer
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th May 17, 12:55 PM
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    I am aware of that but thanks for education the others.

    It was my point that unless you had high end fibre OP plan was not practical.

    Best I have seen on BT is around 8mb but others here have better.

    The biggest issue I have with ADSL is that if you use say 50% of a paltry 0.7 upload the download speed and the PC get very slow.
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    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 18th May 17, 1:27 PM
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    As I said in my previous post we are currently on 70 Meg.

    Streaming would be outside the home.

    It is really for access outside of the home that I want NAS, both upload and download.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 18th May 17, 2:18 PM
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    Just noting that others say Virgin is capped on upload and seen others noting too.

    So if you are streaming from your PC or NAS to say a relative you might be OK depending on the platform you use. E.G. Plex (Nas would need to be seriously powerful, better to use cheap PC).

    If you had an upload of say 7mb then that would be your download speed from elsewhere, less any latency of the infrastucture.
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    • RumRat
    • By RumRat 18th May 17, 4:29 PM
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    Virgin stopped doing the 70Mb ages ago. You need to phone them and get hold of retentions, then negotiate a deal you are happy with. The minimum is now 100Mb.
    On the 200Mb package I get 12Mb upload. My brother-in-law also has a MyCloud and we regularly view/download films from each others. So far, we haven't experienced any problems.
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    • jshm2
    • By jshm2 18th May 17, 4:57 PM
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    Unless you're looking to access +2TB worth of data away from home you're far easier and cheaper to go with Hosted Cloud rather than personal.

    It depends what sort of files you're looking to stream/open as well as a Personal Cloud/NAS solution needs a good router and good connection to make it worthwhile.
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 18th May 17, 5:20 PM
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    Virgin stopped doing the 70Mb ages ago. You need to phone them and get hold of retentions, then negotiate a deal you are happy with. The minimum is now 100Mb.
    On the 200Mb package I get 12Mb upload. My brother-in-law also has a MyCloud and we regularly view/download films from each others. So far, we haven't experienced any problems.
    Originally posted by RumRat
    Quite happy with 70 at the moment, not expecting to have to upload a lot at any one time apart from at the start, so can tolerate low upload speeds.

    Not really happy about using paid for cloud, mainly because I am paranoid and convinced they will get everyone using it and then the price will spike. And using this unit we could access it through usb if the net was down, and it is normally down at the worst time.

    I do use the cloud, mainly because that is a decision my computer seems to make!
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 18th May 17, 5:56 PM
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    Have you looked at the DLINK box i metioned?

    You say you trust WD devices, just stick WD drives into it?

    If your sticking films on it and not deleting them 3TB will soon fill up.
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    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 18th May 17, 7:24 PM
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    Have you looked at the DLINK box i metioned?

    You say you trust WD devices, just stick WD drives into it?

    If your sticking films on it and not deleting them 3TB will soon fill up.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    I've looked at it, and it is in consideration, just adding the extra £100 or so for the hard drives just make it a bit pricier.

    Not thinking about sticking a lot of films on it and leaving them there. The home movies we have, along with a lot of the pictures we have, are currently on an ancient 100 GB PVR, it is more than 10 years old which is partly what sparked the search for an up-to-date alternative.
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