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    • TrishaM
    • By TrishaM 16th May 17, 9:35 PM
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    Cheap desktop
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    • 16th May 17, 9:35 PM
    Cheap desktop 16th May 17 at 9:35 PM
    Hi, I have to change my desktop, one has xp and wont allow browsers to connect to internet..the other has vista on it and its a total pain, takes ages to update, infact sometimes wont. I did a complete re install and its a pain in the !!!. any recommendations for a cheap desktop, dont need keyboards mouse or monitors..
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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 12:04 PM
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    All good advice but then you said GIMP, nobody should be subjected to that, even hardcore designers hate it.
    Originally posted by DavidP24

    True Dat !! I find paint.net a bit more friendly, not sure if that is available for Linux though :/
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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 12:06 PM
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    lol, never ending windows update.
    Originally posted by toshi

    I feel your pain there haha
    , Something needs to be done, but im not sure what without a complete re-write from the ground up - Which is obviously not feasible ..
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    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 17th May 17, 12:37 PM
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    Anything with an atom processor runs like treacle, it did in 2015 and it would today.
    Those horrible little netbooks were a total waste of money, have you ever used one (TRIED to use one lol) ?
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Like an eee-pc ? We have one here, works perfectly well, use it every day. Must be over 7 years old by now, come to think of it.
    Last edited by psychic teabag; 17-05-2017 at 12:39 PM.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 12:45 PM
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    Like an eee-pc ? .
    Originally posted by psychic teabag

    Yes, thats exactly the system i was thinking about !!!
    God they are horrible beyond words ..


    What do you use it for ?
    IME - browsing alone with no software installed whatsoever was absolutely garbage.
    I think i even threw 2 of those in the skip a few years back they were that bad !!


    Edit : I got a horrible little shudder down my back when i remembered those things lol
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  • jamesd
    Anything with an atom processor runs like treacle, it did in 2015 and it would today.
    Those horrible little netbooks were a total waste of money, have you ever used one (TRIED to use one lol) ?
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    I've spent a few thousand hours using one, as have rest of the large number of buyers of the Tesco Hudl 2 tablet, which uses the Intel Atom Z3735D CPU that was released in January 2014. That one is fine for web browsing, productivity applications and video playback. The first CPU in the list I mentioned so far is the Atom x5 Z8300 with a CPUMark of 1202. That's decent enough compared to the 1501 of the Core 2 Duo E6550 that was around when Windows XP was normal but with the advantage of solid state instead of spinning drive and the same sort of amount of RAM.
    Last edited by jamesd; 17-05-2017 at 1:05 PM.
    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 17th May 17, 12:51 PM
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    I've spent a few thousand hours using one, as have rest of the large number of buyers of the Tesco Hudl 2 tablet, which uses the Intel Atom Z3735D CPU. That one is fine for web browsing, productivity applications and video playback.
    Originally posted by jamesd
    maybe ok when running android, but certainly not good for Windows....
    ......Gettin' There, Wherever There is......
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 12:53 PM
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    ^^ This exactly.


    You are comparing apples and oranges James
    (perhaps I should have been more specific in my post)
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  • jamesd
    They certainly aren't the fastest CPUs around but they can still get the job done, if picked for an appropriate set of activities. I wouldn't particularly want to use one for something very CPU-intensive that I might like to use my desktop's i7 with full desktop CPU power consumption for but I doubt that TrishaM is going to be wanting to play fairly demanding games at 4k resolution while having a couple of VMs running.

    I'm not comparing apples and oranges but rather looking at the sort of stuff that ordinary people with a budget seem quite content to buy and use.
    Last edited by jamesd; 17-05-2017 at 1:14 PM.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 1:16 PM
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    appropriate set of activities.
    Originally posted by jamesd

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    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 17th May 17, 1:19 PM
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    Originally posted by AndyPix
    YOU SHOULD NOT TREAT A THINKPAD LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!
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  • jamesd
    Hmm, what model is that? It might be faster than the T410 my work provides for me. That's also fine for everyday tasks and a VM or two, say XP and one of the Linux flavours I run on top of its Windows 7. CPU in that is an i5-520M with CPUMark around 2382.
    Last edited by jamesd; 17-05-2017 at 1:27 PM.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 1:23 PM
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    YOU SHOULD NOT TREAT A THINKPAD LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!
    Originally posted by GunJack

    Lol apologies GunJack - I couldnt find any stock photos of an eee being used as a dart board
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  • jamesd
    Ah well, adding the i3 and i5 options - I'll use the same vendor as for the i7 - will have to wait for later.

    TrishaM if your budget allows it do go for at least the i3 or i5 when I add those. The faster CPU, 8GB of RAM and very fast SSD drive that I'll be picking will be much faster if you have the budget. The i7 is more of a luxury choice. Nice but way more CPU power than most people really need.

    I mentioned electricity. I've measured the i7 CPU I mentioned in a fancy laptop using only about 10W of electricity when doing web browsing. About the same as a 75W equivalent LED light bulb. Went up to 80W when doing CPU-intensive file compression with 7-Zip. My full power desktop model uses more like 150W for lowish CPU load tasks. 10W is about £4.50 a year in electricity if used every day for eight hours with electricity costing about 15p per kWh but your monitor will probably use several times that much. Your current computers are probably using something like £50-£100 worth each plus whatever the monitor uses.
    Last edited by jamesd; 17-05-2017 at 2:35 PM.
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 17th May 17, 3:27 PM
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    re: eee-pc

    Yes, thats exactly the system i was thinking about !!!
    God they are horrible beyond words ..


    What do you use it for ?
    IME - browsing alone with no software installed whatsoever was absolutely garbage.
    I think i even threw 2 of those in the skip a few years back they were that bad !!


    Edit : I got a horrible little shudder down my back when i remembered those things lol
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    I got it (from work) initially to do some x86 android work. But now it's running linux and we use it for surfing the web and checking email. Or sometimes I might use it to ssh to headless raspberry pi if it's misbehaving or anything. Sometimes we watch recorded TV programs on it. Just a go-to laptop for general purpose.

    Until a few weeks ago, OH was using it (professionally) as thin client / X server for a shared machine we use for development. (Plugged into a proper monitor and keyboard, obviously.)

    It was running some sort of gnome desktop until recently, which was okay. But we foolishly did an upgrade, and that became something bloated and sluggish, so we stepped down to using a simpler window manager rather than a "desktop". (Which is how I use my desktop machine anyway. Which is even older than the eee-pc, come to think of it.)
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 17th May 17, 4:06 PM
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    maybe ok when running android, but certainly not good for Windows....
    Originally posted by GunJack
    Perhaps you should challenge your assumptions... why is it okay that android can manage on particular hardware, but windows isn't expected to ?
  • jamesd
    Do you mean you added the quicklaunch yourself (I did myself) I am interested to know if there is a way to make Windows Explorer behave like it did in Win7, It truly is awful in Win10
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    It has settings that can make it look and work pretty much the same, but still keeping nice things like the file copy progress box improvements. Also some nice add-on options to do things like get a Windows XP style of start menu if you prefer that.

    If you can't find the setting to change something that's annoying you, you might try saying more specifically what it is and someone may be able to tell you.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 18th May 17, 8:47 AM
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    Perhaps you should challenge your assumptions... why is it okay that android can manage on particular hardware, but windows isn't expected to ?
    Originally posted by psychic teabag

    Because Android was designed from the ground up as a mobile operating system designed to run on lightweight hardware.
    Whereas windows not so much.
    Windows expects a lot of resources and includes the ability to interface with many many diffeferent devices in different configurations.


    Whole diffrent ballgame
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    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 18th May 17, 8:49 AM
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    I've spent a few thousand hours using one,.
    Originally posted by jamesd

    Just a few more hours and you MAY finish that email you were trying to write
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    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 18th May 17, 9:33 AM
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    Because Android was designed from the ground up as a mobile operating system designed to run on lightweight hardware.
    Whereas windows not so much.
    Windows expects a lot of resources and includes the ability to interface with many many diffeferent devices in different configurations.


    Whole diffrent ballgame
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    The different devices come with device drivers which are loaded dynamically. So it only needs to load support for devices actually present. So that's no excuse. (Though I do of course accept that the driver support libraries need to be a bit richer to be able to support a wider range of categories of device.)

    The ability to exploit lots of resources need not be the same as "expects a lot of resources", and that in turn does not necessarily translate to *requiring* lots of resources. If there are lots of resources available, the OS is there to make them available to the programs the user wants to run, not to consume them all for itself.

    EDIT: Doh! Missed opportunity to point out that android just takes standard linux kernel as its basis. They added some support for sleeping/waking and for some custom IPC stuff, but they didn't design the kernel from the ground up for small devices. That was all already there.
    Last edited by psychic teabag; 18-05-2017 at 9:44 AM.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 18th May 17, 10:25 AM
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    The ability to exploit lots of resources need not be the same as "expects a lot of resources", .
    Originally posted by psychic teabag

    Need not - but unfortunately is
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