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    • TrishaM
    • By TrishaM 16th May 17, 9:35 PM
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    Cheap desktop
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    • 16th May 17, 9:35 PM
    Cheap desktop 16th May 17 at 9:35 PM
    Hi, I have to change my desktop, one has xp and wont allow browsers to connect to internet..the other has vista on it and its a total pain, takes ages to update, infact sometimes wont. I did a complete re install and its a pain in the !!!. any recommendations for a cheap desktop, dont need keyboards mouse or monitors..
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 16th May 17, 9:37 PM
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    • #2
    • 16th May 17, 9:37 PM
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    • 16th May 17, 9:37 PM
    Buy windows 7 or 8 or 10 and keep your PC?
    Punctuation, Spelling and Grammar will be used sparingly. Due to rising costs of inflation.

    My contribution to MSE. Other contributions will only be used if they cost me nothing.

    Due to me being a tight git.
    • debitcardmayhem
    • By debitcardmayhem 16th May 17, 9:52 PM
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    • #3
    • 16th May 17, 9:52 PM
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    • 16th May 17, 9:52 PM
    Tell everyone what they are and be surprised what you can save....you need to say Manufacturer, Model number and RAM installed there may be cheap options that may defer greater expense.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 16th May 17, 10:48 PM
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    toshi
    • #4
    • 16th May 17, 10:48 PM
    Installing LinuxMint OS at free of charge (support until 4.2021)
    • #4
    • 16th May 17, 10:48 PM
    Hi, I have to change my desktop, one has xp and wont allow browsers to connect to internet..the other has vista on it and its a total pain, takes ages to update, infact sometimes wont. I did a complete re install and its a pain in the !!!. any recommendations for a cheap desktop, dont need keyboards mouse or monitors..
    Originally posted by TrishaM
    TrishaM, I am sorry for your situation as you are another victim of software planned obsolescence.

    I have assumed that your hardware is not problem at all, simply your operation system, (Windows) triggered a kill switch (software support termination).
    One way to overcome the situation is that to install Free and Open source Linux Operation system. Linux is an alternative to Windows OS, and it is completely free of charge. It is easy to use, unlike Windows; whole installation will complete less than 30 min, including all application installation.

    Unlike Windows update, Linuxmint update won’t interrupt your work. Yes, you are able to keep using your computer during software update. (It is true, believe me, I am a Windows professional Engineer lol)

    You can use familiar application such as:

    Libreoffice (Microsoft Office alternative)
    Firefox (Internet Browser)
    VLC Player (Music, and Video Playback)
    GIMP (Photoshop alternative)
    PDF reader etc
    You don't need antivirus software (but you can install it, if you want)

    All above application will be installed with LinuxMint together in 30 min. separately you can install other application such as Chrome (Internet Browser) if you prefer.

    Through volunteer work, I have helped a dozen of VISTA/XP computers to convert user friendly Linux Mint system. As Linux Mint has been developed by community, they are very user friendly and similar to Windows XP/VISTA/7 look. (Please note Windows 8/10 has very diffirent user interface from XP/VISTA/7) No worry, I have setup LinuxMint for 80 years old couple. They are happy to use it.

    I would recommend Linux Mint 18.1 MATE edition; As you have already reinstalled Vista by yourself, I would assume you are able to install LinuxMint easily by yourself. LinuxMint is very secure, very suitable for internet browsing, internet banking without worrying virus infection.

    LinuxMint 18 will be supported until 4. 2021.

    https://linuxmint.com/

    You can get some idea on LinuxMint MATE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn2PFx6Z3dQ

    MSE is the money saving site! So I would like to repeat LinuxMint and all application is at free of charge. You are able to utilise your existing resources without buying new hardware to enjoy safe computing & internet for another 3-4 years. (If you want to spend some money, you can upgrade sluggish hard disk to superfast SSD! Your computer will be blazingly faster than a brand new computer)

    If interested, please let me know the exact model name of your computers. I am more than assist you.

    Happy computing
    Last edited by toshi; 16-05-2017 at 11:23 PM. Reason: minor correction
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 16th May 17, 11:43 PM
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    • 16th May 17, 11:43 PM
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    • 16th May 17, 11:43 PM
    Is there anything correct in the above post? You cannot install windows inless than 30 minutes? You need a better PC.

    I can use windows during most updates.


    Your a windows pro engineer. And green spotted pigs fly.

    You dont need AV software? Why do they create it then?

    You got an 80 year old couple to use mint. So if i give them a FREE printer and they can install it without assistance I will buy everyone dinner. If they need help then you buy dinner and pay for the printer and my travel costs?

    No kill switches in the installed software. If it worked when you installed it then it will work now.

    Its just the latest versions wont run, exactly the same as Linux software. Linux can be more fussy because some software will only work on selected distributions.

    Windows 10 has a very different interface to 7, wanna bet? My windows 7 looked exactly like windows 98 and my windows 10 looks exactly like windows 7 with windows 98 settings.

    I still have my quicklaunch and uncluttered taskbar and start button etc etc..

    I was going to put Mint on my mums system until i needed to make a few changes and though no way will she be able to do that.
    Punctuation, Spelling and Grammar will be used sparingly. Due to rising costs of inflation.

    My contribution to MSE. Other contributions will only be used if they cost me nothing.

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    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 17th May 17, 12:10 AM
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    esuhl
    • #6
    • 17th May 17, 12:10 AM
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    • 17th May 17, 12:10 AM
    You dont need AV software? Why do they create it then?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    To get rid of files infected with Windows viruses. They won't do anything to the Linux machine, but if you're using it as an email server with Windows clients, you might want to use it.

    The security model in GNU/Linux is inherently more secure than Windows, which has evolved with backwards-compatibility from a single-user system with no security at all.

    But no system is perfect.
    • DownTime
    • By DownTime 17th May 17, 1:36 AM
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    DownTime
    • #7
    • 17th May 17, 1:36 AM
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    • 17th May 17, 1:36 AM
    http://
    ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-VOSTRO-230-DESKTOP-WINDOWS-10-PRO-64-BIT-160GB/262957724410 £25 or make an offer.
    Collection only.
    • DownTime
    • By DownTime 17th May 17, 2:24 AM
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    DownTime
    • #8
    • 17th May 17, 2:24 AM
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    • 17th May 17, 2:24 AM
    http://
    ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-OPTIPLEX-780-CORE-2-DUO-DESKTOP-PC-3-00GHz-2GB-160GB-WINDOWS-10-PRO/172633030355 £41.33 but only 2GB of RAM

    http://
    ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Optiplex-780-Core-2-Duo-E8400-3-00Ghz-2GB-RAM-250GB-Windows-7-Pro/112401453157 similar price but you can make an offer.

    http://
    ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Optiplex-380-Dual-Core-E5300-2-6GHz-2GB-RAM-80GB-HDD-Windows-7-/192182170493 £33 or make an offer

    http://
    ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Optiplex-380-Dual-Core-E5400-2-7GHz-2GB-RAM-80GB-HDD-Windows-7-/192182167908 £34 or make an offer

    or wait for a machine with 4GB RAM to come up.

    Of course there might be the option to do something with your current machine/s once you let on what they are.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 17th May 17, 8:44 AM
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    • #9
    • 17th May 17, 8:44 AM
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    • 17th May 17, 8:44 AM
    OP on the PC that wont connect to the internet, have you tried doing an operating system reinstall ?

    I was using XP the other week and it worked like it always had done.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 18-05-2017 at 12:13 AM.
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    • toshi
    • By toshi 17th May 17, 9:02 AM
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    toshi
    No OS sectarian Wars please :)
    I have no intention to play with OS sectarian WAR I just want to help TrishaM

    Is there anything correct in the above post?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Yes, absolutely, I won't make comments without my own hands on experience. I have install, reinstall Windows, Linux more than 500 times. (unfortunately the most of them are windows one.) Insulation itself is extremely boring - naturally I love a quick job..

    You cannot install windows inless than 30 minutes? You need a better PC.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    As a professional I would expect 1-2 hours all of installation work including application with a brand new computer, (unless you use a SSD) In addition, constant windows update stop my work, May be 1 more hours at least ?

    WINDOWS OS INSTALLATION
    Libreoffice (Microsoft Office alternative)
    Firefox (Internet Browser)
    VLC Player (Music, and Video Playback)
    GIMP (Photoshop alternative)
    PDF reader etc

    ***********
    In the case of older computers, in addition, you may need to install drivers individually, (it is super easy but boring and extremely time consuming job, It would take another one hour.,

    Windows often identifies device, but does not install its driver.Why? Because Automatic installation requires Microsoft certification. Naturally vendors do not want to spend their resources for older devices to get certification. This is not technical reason to install device drivers individually. By contrast, as long as the devices were identified, Linux tried to install free drivers. Once drivers are supported, Linux won't drop driver support. In short, if you do use older hardware, Linux is very likely to insatll the most drivers automatically. i.e. less installation time.

    I refurbished over 10 old computers to install Windows XP around 20011/12, It was so pain, as you said, I really give up as it is too slow, and it takes half day for all installation.

    Then I have found LinixMint. IT WAS SHOCKING.It completed in 30 min including all application. I suggest to have your own hands upon Linux Experience

    Windows 10 has a very different interface to 7, wanna bet? My windows 7 looked exactly like windows 98 and my windows 10 looks exactly like windows 7 with windows 98 settings.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    I installed a classic shell etc so many times, but why I have to do this extra work ? I am tired lol.

    You dont need AV software? Why do they create it then?
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    esuhl explained well.

    "So if i give them a FREE printer and they can install it without assistance
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Yes, please. give a HP printers. Surprisingly Most HP printers work as plug and play!

    You got an 80 year old couple to use mint. So if i give them a FREE printer and they can install it without assistance I will buy everyone dinner.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Yes Please give a free HP printer, the most of which work at plug and play. As results of Windows 10, you may have to give up older xp / vista compatible printers. I prefer to utilise existing resources without paying money (buying new OS application cost)


    No kill switches in the installed software. If it worked when you installed it then it will work now.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    WINDOWS XP SUPPORT ENDS 4. 2014
    WINDOWS VISTA SUPPORT ENDS 4. 2017
    WINDOWS 7 SUPPORT ENDS 1. 2020
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/lifecycle

    TrishaM is not able use her computer as before. This is what I meant.


    I was going to put Mint on my mums system until i needed to make a few changes and though no way will she be able to do that.
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    I am sorry for your experience, but please do not generalise your own experiences. I am more than happy to assist your mums as well. Using computer is not always fun. (Look at this forums, so much problems with Windows as well, NO OS is perfect, however, In order to save XP/VISTA computers, Linux would be considered as a serious cost effective solution.)

    But the first thing I need to know is the exact hardware setting etc.

    I love to commit myself to assist TrishaM and anyone. I actually have a decent dual core spare computer, if anybody like to test linuxmint, I can offer it at delivery cost (10 pound ?) only.. I love to recommend a SSD as well. (a bit like an advert, is it OK to put here? if not I will delete this part)

    Through a volunteer work, I truly appreciate TrishaM 's frustration. I love to rescue another TrishaMs

    Happy computing

    ( I am using Windows 7 everyday for my business time, I have a Windows 10 for my support. I am using LinuxMint MATE 18 for non business time)
    Last edited by toshi; 17-05-2017 at 9:28 AM. Reason: minor correction
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 9:31 AM
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    AndyPix
    believe me, I am a Windows professional Engineer lol
    Originally posted by toshi

    Im not having that for a minute ..
    You may be helpful, and have installed a few systems but theres no way you do this for a job from reading that post ..


    OP , look for a Dell optiplex business refurb on ebay, no older than a 780 and pick one with a spec to suit your budget .. (ram amount, hdd/ssd size etc)
    Last edited by AndyPix; 17-05-2017 at 9:34 AM.
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  • jamesd
    Some options that come with Windows 10 and are both cheap to buy and have low electricity running costs because they use bits that are designed for low power tablets and laptops:

    £72.99 2GB/32GB Support Windows 10 MINI PC Intel Atom QuadCore 2xWIFI 4K Bluetooth TV Box. 2GB RAM with small 32GB disk drive, add SD card and/or USB 3 external hard drive for more storage space.

    £89.90 KODLIX Z83-II Mini PC x5-Z8350 Intel Atom 2GB/32GB 1000M/LAN 2.4/5.8G WiFi BT 4.0 Faster CPU, same storage options.

    £159.90 MINIX NEO Z83-4, Intel Cherry Trail Fanless Mini PC Windows 10 (64-bit) [4GB/32GB/Dual-Band Wi-Fi/Gigabit Ethernet/Dual Output/4K]. A bit faster than the last two, mainly because of twice as much RAM, same storage options. Most of the price jump is because of the RAM, which is enough to raise the cost of the Windows license.

    £399.99 Silent-PC Fanless Quiet Mini HTPC IPTV Desktop Computer, Intel Core i7 5500u . 8GB of RAM, 128GB SSD disk and the same i7 CPU found in some top of the line convertible laptop/tablets mean that this will be far faster than what you have now but still with very low electricity use. Can choose model with more disk space built in or add an external USB 3 hard drive. Windows 10 Home installed but not licensed, need a license code! Cheapest are the emailed OEM ones for a few Pounds.
    Last edited by jamesd; 17-05-2017 at 2:42 PM.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 10:09 AM
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    AndyPix
    All 3 of those will run like an absolute dog.
    Avoid an Atom processor in a PC at all costs ..


    Read more here : https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-needs-to-kill-the-atom-before-cheap-pcs-sour-users-on-all-pcs/




    Poisoning the well

    Atom is a bug zapper that targets the uninformed. Users who don’t keep up on PC hardware are understandably attracted by the low price, then shocked by the terrible experience. In theory, a modern computer can last five years or more without much need for an upgrade. But an Atom-powered notebook is inadequate from the moment the box is opened.
    Last edited by AndyPix; 17-05-2017 at 10:12 AM.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 17th May 17, 10:30 AM
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    DavidP24
    TrishaM, I am sorry for your situation as you are another victim of software planned obsolescence.

    I have assumed that your hardware is not problem at all, simply your operation system, (Windows) triggered a kill switch (software support termination).
    One way to overcome the situation is that to install Free and Open source Linux Operation system. Linux is an alternative to Windows OS, and it is completely free of charge. It is easy to use, unlike Windows; whole installation will complete less than 30 min, including all application installation.

    Unlike Windows update, Linuxmint update won’t interrupt your work. Yes, you are able to keep using your computer during software update. (It is true, believe me, I am a Windows professional Engineer lol)

    You can use familiar application such as:

    Libreoffice (Microsoft Office alternative)
    Firefox (Internet Browser)
    VLC Player (Music, and Video Playback)
    GIMP (Photoshop alternative)
    PDF reader etc
    You don't need antivirus software (but you can install it, if you want)

    All above application will be installed with LinuxMint together in 30 min. separately you can install other application such as Chrome (Internet Browser) if you prefer.

    Through volunteer work, I have helped a dozen of VISTA/XP computers to convert user friendly Linux Mint system. As Linux Mint has been developed by community, they are very user friendly and similar to Windows XP/VISTA/7 look. (Please note Windows 8/10 has very diffirent user interface from XP/VISTA/7) No worry, I have setup LinuxMint for 80 years old couple. They are happy to use it.

    I would recommend Linux Mint 18.1 MATE edition; As you have already reinstalled Vista by yourself, I would assume you are able to install LinuxMint easily by yourself. LinuxMint is very secure, very suitable for internet browsing, internet banking without worrying virus infection.

    LinuxMint 18 will be supported until 4. 2021.

    https://linuxmint.com/

    You can get some idea on LinuxMint MATE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn2PFx6Z3dQ

    MSE is the money saving site! So I would like to repeat LinuxMint and all application is at free of charge. You are able to utilise your existing resources without buying new hardware to enjoy safe computing & internet for another 3-4 years. (If you want to spend some money, you can upgrade sluggish hard disk to superfast SSD! Your computer will be blazingly faster than a brand new computer)

    If interested, please let me know the exact model name of your computers. I am more than assist you.

    Happy computing
    Originally posted by toshi

    All good advice but then you said GIMP, nobody should be subjected to that, even hardcore designers hate it.

    Out of interest, I thought Mint was UBuntu with a load more on top and a better brand name, I thought it included Office apps?

    Would OP not be better with a lite version of Linux as they are bound to have low ram and old hard disk, so then they will be told to go SSD and so have to spend money anyway, in which case they may as well get a copy of Win7 by getting COA from ebay for £3 and downloading Win7 media?

    Just saying?
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
    • toshi
    • By toshi 17th May 17, 10:32 AM
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    toshi
    Im not having that for a minute ..
    You may be helpful, and have installed a few systems but theres no way you do this for a job from reading that post ..
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Actually I do, since I have setup OEM unattended automatic setup for Windows 98/XP etc. I have been tired with keep installing Windows.. lol, never ending windows update. Although old Windows computer rescue works is the most for the volunteer work.

    I have helped an abandoned charity organisation ( From Windows xp + Exchange server to LinuxMint+ SSD + Google business apps migration.) It was fun but I don't want do this again as it was so pain to deal with slow computers.

    I just want you to play with LinuxMint, it is so refreshing as a Windows user

    Happy computing
    Last edited by toshi; 17-05-2017 at 11:04 AM.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 17th May 17, 10:35 AM
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    DavidP24
    Windows 10 has a very different interface to 7, wanna bet? My windows 7 looked exactly like windows 98 and my windows 10 looks exactly like windows 7 with windows 98 settings.

    I still have my quicklaunch and uncluttered taskbar and start button etc etc..
    Originally posted by forgotmyname
    Do you mean you added the quicklaunch yourself (I did myself) I am interested to know if there is a way to make Windows Explorer behave like it did in Win7, It truly is awful in Win10
    Thanks, don't you just hate people with sigs !
  • jamesd
    All 3 of those will run like an absolute dog.
    Avoid an Atom processor in a PC at all costs .. Read more here : https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-needs-to-kill-the-atom-before-cheap-pcs-sour-users-on-all-pcs/
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    That's from 2015, not now, and remember that we're providing options for a person with Windows XP and Vista generation hardware. Even the cheapest will probably be faster, particularly given that none of them use a slow spinning hard disk. If they go for one of the cheapest options and it's not fast enough for them it's easy enough to use your internet shopping return right to go to a faster model.

    Meanwhile I'm gradually working through adding i3, i5 and i7 options to cover the range of CPU and boot/OS drive choices, though I'm planning to stick to low electricity consumption CPUs so the power cost in a year or two isn't more than the cost of the computer.

    Hopefully TrishaM will tell us more about their current computers and what connections the monitors have so we can do some better comparing and check that the monitor connections will work, since it's possible that what she has now for monitors doesn't have HDMI, Displayport or DVI connections and a cheap adaptor might also be needed.
    Last edited by jamesd; 17-05-2017 at 10:57 AM.
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 17th May 17, 10:58 AM
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    psychic teabag
    Out of interest, I thought Mint was UBuntu with a load more on top and a better brand name, I thought it included Office apps?
    Originally posted by DavidP24

    Then again, Ubuntu is "just" debian with a load more on top and a better brand name. (And commercial backing.) I think mint is targetted as a lower-footprint distrubution, though since the default desktop is built on gnome, I'm not entirely convinced. (I just use X with a window manager, rather than a "desktop environment".)

    The office apps are probably available for all distributions. And of course you could just build them yourself from source if they're not ;-) And of course you can try them out on windows to see if they're compatible enough, before deciding whether to switch to linux.


    FWIW, I installed Mint onto MIL's old (atom) laptop a few weeks ago, since she was a bit freaked about the looming end-of-support for Vista. All went smoothly and she seems to be pretty happy with it. Open office is different from the MS office she was used to, but I think she's coping okay. It's mostly just for a bit of web-surfing and web-based email. (Not quite sure what she uses office for, actually.)

    The battery was knackered as well - we tried to make it clear that she should only buy a battery if she was happy with linux, otherwise we'd just buy her a new laptop. She has gone with the new battery, so we're taking that as a sign of approval.

    You can try out many distributions, including mint, by booting from CD without affecting your windows installations. But beware, it is *really* slow that way - doesn't give a fair impression of the performance. Works better booting from memory stick if you can.
    • Cisco001
    • By Cisco001 17th May 17, 11:26 AM
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    Cisco001
    Hi, I have to change my desktop, one has xp and wont allow browsers to connect to internet..the other has vista on it and its a total pain, takes ages to update, infact sometimes wont. I did a complete re install and its a pain in the !!!. any recommendations for a cheap desktop, dont need keyboards mouse or monitors..
    Originally posted by TrishaM
    Do you want new or used?
    What budget?
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 17th May 17, 12:00 PM
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    AndyPix
    That's from 2015, not now, .
    Originally posted by jamesd

    Anything with an atom processor runs like treacle, it did in 2015 and it would today.
    Those horrible little netbooks were a total waste of money, have you ever used one (TRIED to use one lol) ?
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