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    • gainz
    • By gainz 16th May 17, 1:37 PM
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    Gemini Parking Solutions - POPL
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    • 16th May 17, 1:37 PM
    Gemini Parking Solutions - POPL 16th May 17 at 1:37 PM
    Howdy

    I had a fine for not buying a ticket at a london hospital. I went to pay and the machine was displaying an error message. I looked all over for another but couldn't find one. It has since been brought to my attention that there was one outside which I did not see. Anyway, I appealed with POPL but they rejected it. I sent Gemini the following in a letter;

    Regarding this penalty charge, I have enclosed a picture of the error on the payment machine. I did not find another machine to pay the fee and I tried looking everywhere for one inside the car park. I don't need to avoid paying a £2 fee and I rarely get parking tickets or fines. Your charge of £100 is not only ridiculous but disgraceful. All I owe to your company is £2, demanding any more is unlawful. I enclose a cheque for the £2.00 in full and final settlement. I would advise you to
    cease and desist, or we will begin legal proceedings under Section 3 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. I trust this matter will be concluded admirably.


    Gemini have now returned the cheque and are going to add more fees if I don't pay. Any ideas what I could do? Thanks in advance. G
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th May 17, 7:32 PM
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    • 16th May 17, 7:32 PM
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    • 16th May 17, 7:32 PM
    Should have come here and appealed as keeper and won at POPLA.

    What you do now, is ignore them:

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Gemini_Parking_Solutions_London.html

    Under a dozen small claims this year, not a big player.

    Come back if they try and don't write your own defence like the appeals...sorry to say it, but this was very easy to win at POPLA, look, a report back today from someone who came here in good time and appealed a Gemini annoying PCN to POPLA in the usual forum winning way:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5650711

    Gemini 'Notice to Keepers' (their PCN letters) are not even compliant with the POFA; you could easily have won on that point alone at POPLA, had you not given away the driver at earlier appeal. Keeper liability kills it in every Gemini case. If a keeper comes here and learns first.

    Too late now, ignore them. Ignore the debt letters.

    If you pay you have been mugged! Don't - there is no need. We do not pay the likes of Gemini here, not even when a person loses at POPLA as some NEWBIES do (usually in similar situations to you). No big deal, the worst they can try is a small claim. We win them too.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 16-05-2017 at 8:25 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • gainz
    • By gainz 18th May 17, 4:39 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 4:39 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 4:39 PM
    Thanks man!

    On the appeal they sent POPL loads of photos to win this. I can't see how I can get out of this and just ignoring makes me nervous. My bro had to pay £260 to another private parking firm as the costs kept going up with each letter. The case in your link had a legitimate claim as they did have a blue badge (I think I read it right).
    • waamo
    • By waamo 18th May 17, 4:47 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 4:47 PM
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    • 18th May 17, 4:47 PM
    You do not have to pay unless a court tells you that you have to.

    Gemini send threatening letters but do little else. Unless the letter is titled "Letter before claim" it can be ignored. If you do get a letter before claim then people here can help with a response.

    In the highly unlikely event of court papers arriving again you will be helped with a response.

    Do not under any circumstances ring them. They lie. If you get letters they will contain lies.
    This space for hire.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th May 17, 12:08 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 12:08 AM
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    • 19th May 17, 12:08 AM
    My bro had to pay £260 to another private parking firm
    Originally posted by gainz
    What a 'hook, line and sinker' victim of this well-known scam he was. He didn't have to pay a penny. Even if he'd been sued and lost he would NEVER have paid £260! OMG what is the matter with people...how do people fall for such tripe and not research it first, with a flexing of their Googling finger, to save a 3 figure sum they want to shell out to a scammer?

    Oh dear, I hate to read about people so easily taken in by letters. Really depressing to read you believe he *had to* as well!
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 19-05-2017 at 12:10 AM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • gainz
    • By gainz 23rd May 17, 4:10 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 4:10 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 4:10 PM
    Hi again, this is the letter they sent me, it does not state "Letter before claim".



    I did call them though I forgot to add and tried (failed) to negotiate a discount. The robot wouldn't have any of it and said a debt recovery agency will be instructed soon.

    Shall I just sit tight?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 23rd May 17, 4:37 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 4:37 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 4:37 PM
    That is nothing like a LBC. See what their next move is.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 23rd May 17, 4:56 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 4:56 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 4:56 PM
    oooh ... scary stuff told to you by the Gemini robot

    Who cares if they get stupid debt collectors to send you
    stupid letters, they can do sweet FA
    When they get fed up wasting their money, they will pass it back to Gemini

    The stupid thing about Gemini is that you did offer a sum, they should have accepted this but NO, greed takes over so they will no doubt end up with nothing
    That's what I call a stupid company
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 23rd May 17, 10:36 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 10:36 PM
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    • 23rd May 17, 10:36 PM
    You PHONED them?!

    Why?
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • waamo
    • By waamo 23rd May 17, 11:44 PM
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    What part of do not under any circumstances ring them didn't you understand?
    This space for hire.
    • gainz
    • By gainz 24th May 17, 10:38 AM
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    What part of do not under any circumstances ring them didn't you understand?
    Originally posted by waamo
    Mate I didnt see the post until after. Why are you guys so hard on me? I have a full time job that is super stressful atm and this fine on top is making me nuts!
    Last edited by gainz; 24-05-2017 at 10:49 AM.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 24th May 17, 10:58 AM
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    Mate I didnt see the post until after. Why are you guys so hard on me? I have a full time job that is super stressful atm and this fine on top is making me nuts!
    Originally posted by gainz
    To explain, this can be a very frustrating forum as we have to constantly repeat ourselves as many simply do not follow what is said.
    The Newbies thread must be treated like an index to a book

    waamo and others have no intention of being hard on anyone, we all probably have busy lives and we do this for the love of destroying the PPC vermin.

    The debt collectors can only be treated as leeches who attach themselves to PPC vermin hence NOBODY should enter into
    conversation with them. Just laugh at them
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • waamo
    • By waamo 24th May 17, 11:28 AM
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    Please before you do anything check here first. It's really difficult to give advice then pick up the pieces after it hasn't been followed.

    I'm not having a go but am trying to help, we all are.
    This space for hire.
    • gainz
    • By gainz 24th May 17, 6:10 PM
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    Ok fella, thanks for all the help guys. I'll sit tight for now and update when Gemini write again....
    • strawberries1
    • By strawberries1 26th May 17, 10:35 AM
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    In the same position. Got one from Gemini at Chase farm and just searched. I'll read up and do a new thread if necessary.
    Good luck OP and thanks to everyone who's made MSE the first place I come to for everything!!
    • strawberries1
    • By strawberries1 26th May 17, 10:48 AM
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    Oh goodness!
    I just checked company info for Gemini Parking Solutions. It's 36yr old Jackson Ryan. I wonder if he's related to Joan Ryan Labour MP for Enfield North. His business is registered local to her address. Hmmm...
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