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    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 16th May 17, 1:15 PM
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    Roundabout Near Miss
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    • 16th May 17, 1:15 PM
    Roundabout Near Miss 16th May 17 at 1:15 PM
    Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in Praise, Vent & Warnings ...

    Had a near miss on a roundabout last night.

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    The link shows the road from my direction of travel. I was in the right-hand lane intending to take the 2nd exit (straight on). Another vehicle was in the left-hand lane ... per the lane markings they'd be expected to go left (1st exit) or straight on (2nd exit). (The left lane had lots of traffic, and they mostly go left though some go straight on, hence why I used the quieter right lane).

    We were almost side-by-side going around the roundabout, although (fortunately for me and my observation) they were slightly ahead ... you can guess what's coming....

    The other car decided to keep going round to go right (3rd exit)! As I said, I saw their manoeuvre and was able to stamp on the brakes to avoid hitting them ... they continued on oblivious to what they had done. (I didn't blast the horn ... I concentrated on stopping). What is it about some people and their complete lack of understanding of how to read road markings and use roundabouts?

    Ironically, as I moved off again to take the exit someone blasted their horn at ME!
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 16th May 17, 8:55 PM
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    This practice at roundabouts happens to me almost every day on my way to work. And it's normally HGV drivers that do it !
    Originally posted by DonnySaver
    Something to do with the vehicle being 53ft long and needing to take a wider line around the roundabout to account for the trailer taking the shortest path. York ring road has a particularly bad 2 lane roundabout at the junction with the A59 which when approaching from the west on the A59 to turn right on the ring road it is safest to straddle both lanes in the truck when you get to the give way line because of the sheer amount of car driving morons who fail to understand why it is a bad idea to try to barge past you.
    • Haylescom
    • By Haylescom 16th May 17, 9:01 PM
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    This happens to me every day. I live near Stansted Airport and every roundabout is full of drivers who have no idea where they're going but are quite happy to go around each roundabout several times in the left-hand lane whilst we all play avoidance games.
    I just shrug now, you can usually predict who's going to do it anyway.
    • EdGasketTheSecond
    • By EdGasketTheSecond 16th May 17, 9:36 PM
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    If you are not sure which exit you need then the left-hand lane is the one to be in; I've done that and it seems quite reasonable. The person in the inner lane shouldn't assume the one in the outer is turning off.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 17th May 17, 8:28 AM
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    Perhaps ... but you should at least signal your intention to be going further around the roundabout.
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    • DonnySaver
    • By DonnySaver 17th May 17, 8:51 AM
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    Something to do with the vehicle being 53ft long and needing to take a wider line around the roundabout to account for the trailer taking the shortest path. York ring road has a particularly bad 2 lane roundabout at the junction with the A59 which when approaching from the west on the A59 to turn right on the ring road it is safest to straddle both lanes in the truck when you get to the give way line because of the sheer amount of car driving morons who fail to understand why it is a bad idea to try to barge past you.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    Nope nothing to do with that. This a major motorway junction roundabout that I'm talking about. LOADS of room for HGV to get around in the correct lanes, no problem.
    • reeac
    • By reeac 17th May 17, 12:23 PM
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    I've been in the wrong lane a few times. But I do what I was told whilst learning - follow the signs/markings for the lane I am in and find a suitable place to turn around.

    That being said, personally I'd go for the left lane at that roundabout for Ravenscraig although I do agree with OP its straight on and not left. There are 3 exits (not counting the one you approach from). Therefore if there are 3 directions indicated by road markings (left, straight on and right) they should each correspond to 1 exit.


    There is a roundabout out by Lanark/Whitburn/Livingston way, Google informs me its called Boghead Roundabout. You can see on the first sign that the 1st Exit is signed as Bathgate B7002, 2nd is Broxburn A706, 3rd is Livingston, Edinburgh, Glasgow A801 (M8) and last is Whitburn, Lanark A706. Next sign tells you left lane for Bathgate B7002 and Livingston A7066, right lane for A801 (M8) and Whitburn A706. Yet the number of people who go in the left lane purely because the sign says "Livingston" and they don't even look at the road numbers. If they did, they'd realise they should be in the right lane (for the 3rd exit).
    Originally posted by unholyangel
    If the shape of the roundabout is accurately portrayed on the road sign then there's very little space to change lanes between the second and third exits so you'd have to start changing lanes as you approached the second exit, thus possibly being hampered by anyone exiting at the second exit. This being the case my instinct would be to enter the roundabout from the left hand lane, leaving the right hand one for traffic heading for Whitburn. This is a common sense decision but I could defend it to roundabout purists by claiming that the third exiit is actually straight on for which convention says use left hand lane.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 17th May 17, 12:47 PM
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    Now, children, what is today's lesson we can take from this...?
    How about 'If you find yourself in the wrong lane, don't blindly keep going round the roundabout, contrary to road markings, but just take the exit you're in the lane for, turn, and give it another go, instead of being the (arguably partial) cause of an accident'.
    But the other car didn't manoeuvre, it carried on in the same lane
    The road markings at the entrance to the roundabout gave the other car TWO options. The other car took a THIRD option. There are special instructions at this roundabout, which trump the general rules.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 17th May 17, 1:00 PM
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    The road markings at the entrance to the roundabout gave the other car TWO options. The other car took a THIRD option. There are special instructions at this roundabout, which trump the general rules.
    Originally posted by almillar
    Yep. And that was hardly unpredictable, was it? Yet the OP still put themselves into a position where that nearly resulted in a collision.
    • Stevie Palimo
    • By Stevie Palimo 17th May 17, 1:07 PM
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    I feel your pain OP, my number 1 rule whilst driving is to assume everyone else is complete and utter idiot. When I have such issues, my wife always ask me how on earth do I keep my call. I say to her I imagined it happening 10 seconds before so have already stopped being angry about it.
    Originally posted by Nathaniel Essex


    No idea what keep my call means !!!!!!!!
    • neilmcl
    • By neilmcl 17th May 17, 1:21 PM
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    No idea what keep my call means !!!!!!!!
    Originally posted by Stevie Palimo
    Keep my calm.
    • Stevie Palimo
    • By Stevie Palimo 17th May 17, 1:40 PM
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    Keep my calm.
    Originally posted by neilmcl
    Never heard that expression either I heard of keep my cool.
    • joeypesci
    • By joeypesci 17th May 17, 2:27 PM
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    Lack of indication on a round a bout annoys me and people using the 2nd lane to push in on a single lane exit. Examples and why I have my dash cam.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICqB3JZIZEc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC23b2vgN7U

    Lights are out so it becomes a normal roundabout. This person appears to have forgotten
    • Teapot55
    • By Teapot55 17th May 17, 2:51 PM
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    Re Post # 32, if you were to start your own thread on this Joey, called 'Not using roundabouts correctly' I think I would like to make some comments . . .

    . . . for starters . . .

    . . . if you end up on the inside of a lorry hang back!
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 17th May 17, 3:10 PM
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    Re Post # 32, if you were to start your own thread on this Joey, called 'Not using roundabouts correctly' I think I would like to make some comments . . .

    . . . for starters . . .

    . . . if you end up on the inside of a lorry hang back!
    Originally posted by Teapot55
    Indeed. See post #7 above.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 17th May 17, 3:13 PM
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    The HGV entered the roundabout before/at the same time as the car, and signalled their intentions in plenty of time whilst being ahead of the car. Nothing really for the car driver to complain about (unless signs or road markings went against what the HGV driver did).

    Driver entering the roundabout was on autopilot ... and was completely in the wrong.
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    • joeypesci
    • By joeypesci 17th May 17, 4:00 PM
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    The HGV entered the roundabout before/at the same time as the car, and signalled their intentions in plenty of time whilst being ahead of the car. Nothing really for the car driver to complain about (unless signs or road markings went against what the HGV driver did).
    Originally posted by DoaM
    The HGV was in the right hand lane which is ONLY for the 3rd, 4th or 5th exit or if going round the roundabout again. It is NOT to be used for going straight across especially when the straight across exit is one lane only. So the HGV was in the wrong lane. Plenty of HGVs pull up to that roundabout knowing they are going straight ahead, yet are able to be in the correct left hand lane. This driver just wanted to jump the queue that always builds up in the left lane.

    The car driver has plenty to complain about.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 17th May 17, 4:09 PM
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    If the shape of the roundabout is accurately portrayed on the road sign then there's very little space to change lanes between the second and third exits so you'd have to start changing lanes as you approached the second exit, thus possibly being hampered by anyone exiting at the second exit. This being the case my instinct would be to enter the roundabout from the left hand lane, leaving the right hand one for traffic heading for Whitburn. This is a common sense decision but I could defend it to roundabout purists by claiming that the third exiit is actually straight on for which convention says use left hand lane.
    Originally posted by reeac
    But you'd be in the wrong lane - the general rule you refer to only applies if there are no road markings/signs to the contrary. The sign indicating livingston has the corresponding road number of A7066 (ie its a back route to livingston through bathgate). The third exit is road A801 and (according to the signs) should be the right lane only. In other words on that roundabout, the left lane is for the first 2 exits, the right lane is for the other 2.
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    • reeac
    • By reeac 17th May 17, 5:22 PM
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    But you'd be in the wrong lane - the general rule you refer to only applies if there are no road markings/signs to the contrary. The sign indicating livingston has the corresponding road number of A7066 (ie its a back route to livingston through bathgate). The third exit is road A801 and (according to the signs) should be the right lane only. In other words on that roundabout, the left lane is for the first 2 exits, the right lane is for the other 2.
    Originally posted by unholyangel
    The second sign is obscured by a lorry if I'm looking at the correct picture so I bow to local knowledge. Actually that obscuring of a sign by traffic (which applies also to markings on the tarmac) is a good example of why "strangers" find themselves in the wrong lane whilst the local commuters fume, slam on their brakes and write to this forum. They should get out of their comfort zones and around the country (and even foreign countries) a bit more to gain some navigational experience in different environments.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 18th May 17, 3:07 PM
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    Yep. And that was hardly unpredictable, was it?
    It was, yes, and a defensive driver would be doing what you advise, and DoaM was most of the way there - he WAS able to avoid the accident, remember. It sort of sounds like some posters are blaming DoaM MORE for not predicting the bad driving, rather than the bad driving itself.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 18th May 17, 3:24 PM
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    It was, yes, and a defensive driver would be doing what you advise, and DoaM was most of the way there - he WAS able to avoid the accident, remember. It sort of sounds like some posters are blaming DoaM MORE for not predicting the bad driving, rather than the bad driving itself.
    Originally posted by almillar
    Not at all - it's simply that DoaM's road positioning is the only thing here that's within his control...
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