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    • stefano
    • By stefano 15th May 17, 5:47 PM
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    Buying a second hand luxury car
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    • 15th May 17, 5:47 PM
    Buying a second hand luxury car 15th May 17 at 5:47 PM
    I am thinking of buying a second hand luxury car. A BMW 730. I saw it on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142378083143
    I don't know much about older cars, so I am unsure.
    I am open to suggestions as to whether I should go for it or stay away.
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    • caprikid1
    • By caprikid1 16th May 17, 11:45 AM
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    Problem is people who want a 14 year old luxury car at 3.5k generally can't afford the average bills that come up.

    I looked at a 11k Boxter was very close o pulling the trigger till my uncle showed me the astronomical prices for services / brakes / clutches etc.

    You could buy it and run it for 2 years with no issues or you could get it and it need 2k of work in 5 months.

    Roll of the dice basically
    Originally posted by gycraig
    A friend of mine works for a Porsche engine specialist, its a difficult conversation telling someone their 7K boxters has done 7K of engine damage.
    • tykesi
    • By tykesi 16th May 17, 11:48 AM
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    Problem is people who want a 14 year old luxury car at 3.5k generally can't afford the average bills that come up.

    I looked at a 11k Boxter was very close o pulling the trigger till my uncle showed me the astronomical prices for services / brakes / clutches etc.

    You could buy it and run it for 2 years with no issues or you could get it and it need 2k of work in 5 months.

    Roll of the dice basically
    Originally posted by gycraig
    Exactly. I looked at Boxters a year ago and was surprised how cheap they can be to buy. I did the same and looked at the cost of parts/servicing

    Went with a Z4 instead.
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    • gycraig
    • By gycraig 16th May 17, 11:48 AM
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    A friend of mine works for a Porsche engine specialist, its a difficult conversation telling someone their 7K boxters has done 7K of engine damage.
    Originally posted by caprikid1
    Uncle basically sat me down and gave me a reality check saying a similair thing.

    I'd of ended up paying finance on a car that I would need to finance most major repairs for
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 16th May 17, 12:42 PM
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    People who can afford to buy new luxury cars are the people who can afford to run them.
    Because they buy new they don't get the big mechanical bills of course.
    I remember being told by a colleague back in the early 80s about a chap he knew who ran an immaculate old-ish Rolls. He had it by choice, not because he couldn't afford new.
    He'd just taken it to Rolls for servicing, and it came back with a bill for over 1000 for work on the brakes. Around 5000 these days.
    • n217970
    • By n217970 16th May 17, 12:57 PM
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    Something that is worth remembering when buying a car at the bottom end of its depriciation/life - the person who is selling it is likely doing so because they believe there is something wrong with it.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 16th May 17, 1:44 PM
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    I will buy it but for a bit less. If he can sell it for the asking price, he will.
    He would normally be my go to guy with regards to cars and motors. But I am seeking independent advice as he would probably be biased on the BMW.
    Originally posted by stefano
    So he's a motor trader selling as if he's not then? That's how that reads.

    It's not you by any chance that's selling it? It does smell a bit
    • stefano
    • By stefano 16th May 17, 7:24 PM
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    It's not me selling. I am at a point where I fancy something big. My original short list was:
    Jag XF
    Mercedes-Benz S500
    BMW
    VW Phaeton
    I have been advised to stay well away from Mercedes-Benz.
    So the choice is narrowed down to 3. The BMW has come up, and he needs to sell as he will be getting a motor from Motability. But I understand the issues with big badge, big bills. I will wait a month or so and then, maybe I will go for it. The car has been remapped so it can do 45mpg, which I believe is not bad
    • ciderboy2009
    • By ciderboy2009 16th May 17, 7:49 PM
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    ...he needs to sell as he will be getting a motor from Motability...
    Originally posted by stefano
    ... my licence is being removed for medical reasons...
    by from eBay Listing;
    Ok - I'm now convinced this is spam
    • stefano
    • By stefano 16th May 17, 7:55 PM
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    I didn't know that was the case.
    However, I guess I was a bit vague in my OP.
    What kind of mileage can a BMW engine do before it goes wrong. Is 100K too much mileage for a diesel engine? Likewise for a gearbox, which I believe can be expensive too.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 17th May 17, 12:59 PM
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    What kind of mileage can a BMW engine do before it goes wrong. Is 100K too much mileage for a diesel engine? Likewise for a gearbox, which I believe can be expensive too.
    Sounds like you're asking the forum for a guarantee this car won't go wrong. You're not gonna get that.
    If I told you that they start going wrong at precisely 99,595 miles would it put you off?
    Yes, if the engine goes wrong, it'll be expensive. Yes, if the gearbox goes wrong, it'll be expensive. Apply that to lots of the electronics and toys in this car, that other cars simply don't have.
    Have you looked at how much a tyre will cost for this car, for example?
    Assume that stuff WILL go wrong, and have a pot set aside for it.
    • bertiewhite
    • By bertiewhite 17th May 17, 1:05 PM
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    They are not at all respected in Japan AFAIK - I'm told the Japanese feel it is a brand image thing simply to boost Toyota sales in the US.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    Indeed - Luxury EXport for the US
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 17th May 17, 3:17 PM
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    OP never said he needs a 7 series.

    I would rather do those miles in a 7 series than most other cars if I could justify the running costs.
    Originally posted by parking_question_chap
    So a 5 series or even 3 series wouldn't be suitable??
    • Clive Woody
    • By Clive Woody 17th May 17, 4:20 PM
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    So a 5 series or even 3 series wouldn't be suitable??
    Originally posted by lincroft1710
    They would be fine if he wanted to look like a sales rep.
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    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 17th May 17, 4:28 PM
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    They would be fine if he wanted to look like a sales rep.
    Originally posted by Clive Woody
    I think you may have insulted a lot of 3 and 5 series owners!
    • kmb500
    • By kmb500 17th May 17, 4:32 PM
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    It's not me selling. I am at a point where I fancy something big. My original short list was:
    Jag XF
    Mercedes-Benz S500
    BMW
    VW Phaeton
    I have been advised to stay well away from Mercedes-Benz.
    So the choice is narrowed down to 3. The BMW has come up, and he needs to sell as he will be getting a motor from Motability. But I understand the issues with big badge, big bills. I will wait a month or so and then, maybe I will go for it. The car has been remapped so it can do 45mpg, which I believe is not bad
    Originally posted by stefano

    Phaeton! They're absolutely worthless, cheap as chips, they're amazingly luxurious, and they have a freaking W12 engine.


    Also I don't believe for a second that a 2003 7 series that weights approx. 8 tonnes does 45mpg.
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 17th May 17, 4:35 PM
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    So a 5 series or even 3 series wouldn't be suitable??
    Originally posted by lincroft1710
    There are far more luxuries in a 7 series than either of the other two, just as there are more luxuries in an S class Mercedes than a C class. They tend to feed down the line. So you can buy an older 7 series that has features in it that don't enter a 3 series until 2 years later and on a higher trim level. A 730i SE will have more features than a 325i SE.
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 17th May 17, 6:05 PM
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    Phaeton! They're absolutely worthless, cheap as chips, they're amazingly luxurious, and they have a freaking W12 engine.


    Also I don't believe for a second that a 2003 7 series that weights approx. 8 tonnes does 45mpg.
    Originally posted by kmb500
    They do, my MD's 730d used to average mid 40s easily.
    • stefano
    • By stefano 17th May 17, 6:05 PM
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    I did think about a 3 or 5 series, bit this 7 series has absolutely all the toys you may want.
    • MobileSaver
    • By MobileSaver 18th May 17, 9:18 AM
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    I had a couple of Toyotas - nice cars - but they cannot pretend to be luxury cars - even with a Lexus badge stuck on.
    Originally posted by Iceweasel
    What utter tosh! That old chestnut "it's really a Toyota" seems to be the favourite refrain of many who could never afford a Lexus and have certainly never driven one.

    I worked my way up from LS 400 to LS 430 to LS 460 and wish I could justify a new LS 600. On the downside, depreciation is not for the faint-hearted; the last one I paid 64k and now would probably be lucky to get 10k for it. On the upside it's never let me down (in complete contrast to the brand new Range Rover which turned out to be the worst and most unreliable car I've ever owned.)

    A 10 year old LS 460 has a 4.6L V8 that will surprise you with how quiet it is at low speed and amaze you when you put your foot down and the sheer power pushes you back into you seat; this is a two ton car that accelerates and handles like a sports car. A 10 year old car that has:

    - heated and cooling armchair seats,
    - double glazing,
    - fridge in the back,
    - 4 zone A/C,
    - 4 electric seats,
    - auto-cruise-control (brakes, accelerates and steers automatically [and you thought self-driving cars was something new! ]),
    - a pre-crash-system that prepares the car when it determines an accident is likely to happen,
    - all round parking sensors,
    - reversing camera,
    - self-parking,
    - voice control [you thought Amazon's Alexa was something new?],
    - self-closing doors,
    - smart key unlock and lock,
    - electronic suspension height adjust,
    - auto-wipers,
    - powered open and close boot,
    - 19 speaker sound system
    - and the only optional extra available... a heated steering wheel!

    Are you seriously suggesting that is not a luxury car?
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    • harrys dad
    • By harrys dad 18th May 17, 9:49 AM
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    There is an awful lot of work listed as having been done on the car, and bills are available to see. Have a look at the size of them, then decide if you want and can afford to take the risk.
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