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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 15th May 17, 9:10 AM
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    Franke Sink - why such big price difference?
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    • 15th May 17, 9:10 AM
    Franke Sink - why such big price difference? 15th May 17 at 9:10 AM
    There is a Franke sink here:

    https://www.johnlewis.com/franke-ascona-asx-651-1-5-kitchen-sink-with-reversible-bowl-silk-steel/p231335486


    What appears to be the same sink is also on sale here:

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/franke-ascona-inset-sink-s-steel-1-bowl-1000-x-510mm/37197

    Is it really the same sink? Am I missing something, or why is there such a large price difference?
    Last edited by Annie1960; 15-05-2017 at 11:45 AM.
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    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 15th May 17, 9:15 AM
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    Do you really need to ask?

    You are talking about John Lewis here.

    Most of their customers have probably never even heard of Screwfix!
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 15th May 17, 9:16 AM
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    • 15th May 17, 9:16 AM
    The model numbers are the same.

    The Screwfix one is reduced by £50 and they probably sell a lot more than JL. JL is not a discount retailer nor the first place I'd think to look for a sink.
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    • LandyAndy
    • By LandyAndy 15th May 17, 11:29 AM
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    • 15th May 17, 11:29 AM
    The JL link isn't working for me
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 15th May 17, 11:37 AM
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    • 15th May 17, 11:37 AM
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    • 15th May 17, 11:37 AM
    Do you really need to ask?

    You are talking about John Lewis here.

    Most of their customers have probably never even heard of Screwfix!
    Originally posted by POPPYOSCAR
    I'm a customer of both. JL prices are usually competitive on branded products. I'm trying to work out if the sinks are identical, or am I missing something different about them?
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 15th May 17, 11:40 AM
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    • 15th May 17, 11:40 AM
    The JL link isn't working for me
    Originally posted by LandyAndy
    Go to the JL website and type 'Franke asconda' into the search box. It is the 1.5 bowl sink (it comes up as the second item on my JL search).
    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 15th May 17, 11:50 AM
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    They both have the same model number. I would expect they are the same. Perhaps the only difference is the guarantee. Screwfix say 1 year JL say 50.

    You could ask JL to price match and take the 50 year guarantee.

    https://www.johnlewis.com/inspiration-and-advice/never-knowingly-undersold-policy
    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 15th May 17, 11:59 AM
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    • 15th May 17, 11:59 AM
    I'm a customer of both. JL prices are usually competitive on branded products. I'm trying to work out if the sinks are identical, or am I missing something different about them?
    Originally posted by Annie1960
    I have never found them to be competitive TBH.

    The likes of Screwfix, Toolstation and even B&Q will usually be cheaper for things like this.

    They are the same sink.
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 15th May 17, 12:11 PM
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    • 15th May 17, 12:11 PM
    They both have the same model number. I would expect they are the same. Perhaps the only difference is the guarantee. Screwfix say 1 year JL say 50.

    You could ask JL to price match and take the 50 year guarantee.

    https://www.johnlewis.com/inspiration-and-advice/never-knowingly-undersold-policy
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup

    Yes I've asked JL to price match before, they are good at that.

    I think the 50 year guarantee is from the manufacturer, and should be the same wherever I buy it from.

    Thanks for confirming they are the same sink. I wasn't sure if I was missing something.

    I'm also considering this one, but some reviews says it's difficult to keep looking clean. I like the simple lines.

    https://www.johnlewis.com/franke-maris-mrx-211-right-hand-single-bowl-kitchen-sink-stainless-steel/p1781478
    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 15th May 17, 12:12 PM
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    Yes I've asked JL to price match before, they are good at that.

    I think the 50 year guarantee is from the manufacturer, and should be the same wherever I buy it from.

    Thanks for confirming they are the same sink. I wasn't sure if I was missing something.

    I'm also considering this one, but some reviews says it's difficult to keep looking clean. I like the simple lines.

    https://www.johnlewis.com/franke-maris-mrx-211-right-hand-single-bowl-kitchen-sink-stainless-steel/p1781478
    Originally posted by Annie1960
    Yes I always thought Franke sinks had a lifetime warranty.
    • Furts
    • By Furts 15th May 17, 5:11 PM
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    In my opinion Franke are a typical corporate company out to take retail customers for as much as they can get away with. They get very stroppy because the internet has killed some of their rip off ways.


    There are Franke sinks out there sourced from outside the UK, which can be cheaper than those coming through Franke UK. Obviously Franke UK do not like this but there is nowt they can do about it. There is a likelihood JL will be sourcing through Franke UK whilst Screwfix will be more commercial and savvy.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 15th May 17, 5:17 PM
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    Do you really need to ask?

    You are talking about John Lewis here.

    Most of their customers have probably never even heard of Screwfix!
    Originally posted by POPPYOSCAR
    Oh, I think most of the wives have an idea what it is ... but it's nothing to do with trades supplies
    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 15th May 17, 5:41 PM
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    Yes I always thought Franke sinks had a lifetime warranty.
    Originally posted by POPPYOSCAR
    Warranty against manufacturing defects for 50 years. It's a bit pointless really isn't it? Try proving a fault after 40 years was caused during manufacture!
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    • kev25v6
    • By kev25v6 15th May 17, 6:54 PM
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    Screw fix buy direct from Franke UK, the only difference tends to be the box. The cheap ones come in a cardboard sleeve the expensive ones come in a proper box. Same exact sink, brought over from Poland.
    • ic
    • By ic 15th May 17, 7:07 PM
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    It'll be high at John Lewis so that they can bundle it in with a full kitchen. I'd expect they'd rarely sell them on their own - they just want to be able to offer a kitchen discount on doors say, but make it all back in the other bits and bobs of the kitchens. Its how all kitchen sellers work - distract you with a big discount on one part, and rake it back in elsewhere on the same sale.
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    • wantonnoodle
    • By wantonnoodle 17th May 17, 11:02 AM
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    It'll be high at John Lewis so that they can bundle it in with a full kitchen. I'd expect they'd rarely sell them on their own - they just want to be able to offer a kitchen discount on doors say, but make it all back in the other bits and bobs of the kitchens. Its how all kitchen sellers work - distract you with a big discount on one part, and rake it back in elsewhere on the same sale.
    Originally posted by ic
    But don't forget John Lewis's price promise, they will match the price as long as it's the identical product available in a high street shop (ie not online only). I can't see JL selling high on one thing to offer discount on another when their policy is to never be undersold. I would expect its more that they are not aware of the product being sold by Screwfix (a lot of screwfix stuff is unbranded trade stuff) and would likely reduce their price to match if they are aware.
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 17th May 17, 11:32 AM
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    But don't forget John Lewis's price promise, they will match the price as long as it's the identical product available in a high street shop (ie not online only). I can't see JL selling high on one thing to offer discount on another when their policy is to never be undersold. I would expect its more that they are not aware of the product being sold by Screwfix (a lot of screwfix stuff is unbranded trade stuff) and would likely reduce their price to match if they are aware.
    Originally posted by wantonnoodle
    When I'm ready to buy it I will contact JL and ask them to price match. It will be interesting to see what they say.

    I'm also compiling a list of other appliances for the kitchen, and if they sell the same models as the ones I want I will also ask for price matches on those. Appliances Direct have some very low prices on branded products.
    Last edited by Annie1960; 17-05-2017 at 11:38 AM.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 17th May 17, 11:54 AM
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    It's a good sink. Mine has a tiny dent and came from eBay for £40.

    It's much better/deeper than the Blanco I bought via the kitchen co, which I'll take out and replace with another Ascona at the end of the year.
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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 6th Jun 17, 9:31 PM
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    It's a good sink. Mine has a tiny dent and came from eBay for £40.

    It's much better/deeper than the Blanco I bought via the kitchen co, which I'll take out and replace with another Ascona at the end of the year.
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    I went to have a look at these in real life today (as opposed to just looking online).

    Onee of the main criticisms from reviews is that they mark very easily and are difficult to keep clean. How do you find yours in this respect?

    I really need to order a sink tomorrow so need to make up my mind.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 7th Jun 17, 1:03 AM
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    We find the Ascona cleans up OK, but as it's in the utility room, where we are still washing-up brushes and similar activities, (house renovation) it isn't always in the most pristine condition.

    It does feel nicer than the Blanco sink we have, but a comparison between just two isn't much of a test, especially as I think the latter may be a cheap model.

    Sorry I can't be more helpful. I can only say I shall be happy enough to buy another.
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