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    • poppasmurf_bewdley
    • By poppasmurf_bewdley 11th May 17, 7:06 PM
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    BBC iPlayer now requires your address.
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    • 11th May 17, 7:06 PM
    BBC iPlayer now requires your address. 11th May 17 at 7:06 PM
    New rules apply to the BBC iPlayer from today:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/05/11/bbc-iplayer-now-has-password-controls/
    "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery." Mr Wilkins Micawber in David Copperfield by Charles Dickens.
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    • EdSwippet
    • By EdSwippet 13th May 17, 10:44 AM
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    The idea is that naive people will use the same email address for their iPlayer ID as they've previously used on the non-compulsory online form for people who don't need a Licence.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    I've done exactly that. Deliberately, and with complete cognisance of the fact that I'm opening myself up to incorrect 'enforcement'.

    I do not own a TV. I use iPlayer radio but not iPlayer TV or any other online TV service other than non-BBC catchup, and do not have a license. In other words, I comply scrupulously with the terms of TV licensing. We shall see what transpires, then.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 16th May 17, 2:21 PM
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    The idea is that naive people will use the same email address for their iPlayer ID as they've previously used on the non-compulsory online form for people who don't need a Licence.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    Well, I went to complete that form a few years ago, and gave up when it requested name, email and phone number. I've never had a colour telly or watch catch-up so would prefer to maintain my privacy and lack of spam. I do listen to radio so it will be interesting to see how things pan out. I keep abreast of developments by coming on here!
    • poppasmurf_bewdley
    • By poppasmurf_bewdley 17th May 17, 2:58 PM
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    I've just had an email from the BBC regarding the BBC iPlayer and their change to the conditions. Changes include:

    How we show you advertising on social media sites
    How we share emails with TV Licensing to check if you are using BBC iPlayer
    Asking you to provide your gender when you register for a BBC account.
    If you are happy for these changes to take place, you don’t need to do anything. If you don’t want these changes to apply, you’re free to close your account. We’d be really sorry to see you go – so if you ever have questions about your agreement with us you can read more in Using the BBC.


    So there we have it. Anyone not happy with these changes can stop using iPlayer. And the BBC will be really unhappy to see you go!!!
    "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery." Mr Wilkins Micawber in David Copperfield by Charles Dickens.
    • Swipe
    • By Swipe 17th May 17, 5:44 PM
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    You can still get the bbc radio feeds without iplayer:

    http://www.radio-browser.info/gui/#/byname/bbc
    • craigr98
    • By craigr98 17th May 17, 7:09 PM
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    I believe the bbc already has our details already from May's government.
    • VisionMan
    • By VisionMan 17th May 17, 10:06 PM
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    This is a very grey area. A fact which my respected friend Cornucopia often rightly points out.
    If one doesn't wish to pay the TVL fine, but I don't believe the iPlayer will let one use it without typing 'yes' to having a TVL. But to listen to BBC radio, one doesn't need to. As theres a superb app out there called the Radioplayer -

    http://www.radioplayer.co.uk/discover/a-z/a-c

    No sign up required.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 17th May 17, 10:13 PM
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    Also tunein.com - which is available on NowTV boxes.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 17-05-2017 at 10:17 PM.
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    • hasdogs
    • By hasdogs 22nd May 17, 4:43 PM
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    I've just had an email from the BBC
    Originally posted by poppasmurf_bewdley
    You gave the BBC a real email address - lol.

    I have a personal privacy policy of not giving anyone any valid personal information without good reason. I have no reason to give the BBC online services any information. I have no desire to help them track my iplayer activity and let them correlate it with other personal information they will attempt to collect.

    If forced to use an account I have already created half a dozen to use randomly. I wonder how many thousands of others live at broadcasting house (W1A 1AA)?

    There are only two reasons why iplayer account login will be mandatory and they are either to try to enforce licensing or to assist collection of personal information which they will try to monetise.
    • poppasmurf_bewdley
    • By poppasmurf_bewdley 22nd May 17, 5:21 PM
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    You gave the BBC a real email address - lol.

    I have a personal privacy policy of not giving anyone any valid personal information without good reason. I have no reason to give the BBC online services any information. I have no desire to help them track my iplayer activity and let them correlate it with other personal information they will attempt to collect.

    If forced to use an account I have already created half a dozen to use randomly. I wonder how many thousands of others live at broadcasting house (W1A 1AA)?

    There are only two reasons why iplayer account login will be mandatory and they are either to try to enforce licensing or to assist collection of personal information which they will try to monetise.
    Originally posted by hasdogs
    I don't mind giving the BBC my correct email address. I'm not on the fiddle and I pay my TV licence, so I've nothing to hide or worry about.

    Personally, I look forward to the day the BBC drags a few con-merchants before the courts for using iPlayer without a licence. May the day come soon.
    "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery." Mr Wilkins Micawber in David Copperfield by Charles Dickens.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 22nd May 17, 6:31 PM
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    I don't mind giving the BBC my correct email address. I'm not on the fiddle and I pay my TV licence, so I've nothing to hide or worry about.
    Originally posted by poppasmurf_bewdley
    Well, I'm over 60, have been on the internet a long time, and have never had a colour television. I take a much more circumspect view of giving out my emails, and am pleased to say I get very little spam.

    You are obviously like Capita in finding it hard to conceive people without televisions exist, but there are plenty of us and I've quite a number of friends and aquaintances in that number.
    • poppasmurf_bewdley
    • By poppasmurf_bewdley 22nd May 17, 8:19 PM
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    Well, I'm over 60, have been on the internet a long time, and have never had a colour television. I take a much more circumspect view of giving out my emails, and am pleased to say I get very little spam.

    You are obviously like Capita in finding it hard to conceive people without televisions exist, but there are plenty of us and I've quite a number of friends and aquaintances in that number.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    I'm over 60 as well. Seventy next year in fact. And also been on the internet a long time. I also get very little spam also (less than one a week), as I only give my email to those who I want to have it.

    But if people don't have a colour TV, but use iPlayer, then they should be paying for a TV licence. Whether that's a Capita thing or not, I don't know.
    "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery." Mr Wilkins Micawber in David Copperfield by Charles Dickens.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 22nd May 17, 8:48 PM
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    There's no issue for most people that those who need a Licence should have one, and I'm sure MSE would like all discussion to be framed that way.

    However, the BBC and its TV Licensing department have a long and broad history of questionable conduct, and I imagine that that is what Silverwhistle is referring to.

    The very basic questions are:-

    - Does a public authority need a specific authorisation before it establishes a law enforcement activity?

    - Should all law enforcement operations be accountable to Parliament?

    - Does policing within citizens' homes create significant practical and legal problems that if handled appropriately would be insurmountable?

    - Does a public authority have the right to deliberately mislead the Public (or at the very least communicate incompetently with them) when it comes to legal obligations, rights, duties and powers?

    And so on...

    It's a big, nasty can of worms and it needs sorting out.
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    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 16th Jul 17, 11:09 AM
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    That's it, then: from today you need to sign-up for an account to use iplayer for radio stations.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 16th Jul 17, 11:46 PM
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    In addition to the options above, you can also still use the BBC podcast service without an ID.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts
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    • coffeehound
    • By coffeehound 5th Aug 17, 10:52 AM
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    Not sure whether this has already been stated, but signing up to use radio iplayer does get your info shared with TVL

    We share some of your personal data with TV Licensing, to check if you are using BBC iPlayer and to keep their database up to date.
    • Gvannac
    • By Gvannac 16th Aug 17, 10:59 PM
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    using BBC iPlayer or any BBC playback
    So furious, I have a TV licence, why do I have to provide lots of personal details like my date of birth etc to register to use/log in?
    Why don't they just ask for my licence number?
    Would making a complaint make a difference, surely there is some data protection rule says I should be able to access without providing this info!
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 17th Aug 17, 8:40 AM
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    So furious, I have a TV licence, why do I have to provide lots of personal details like my date of birth etc to register to use/log in?
    Originally posted by Gvannac
    You don't have to provide YOUR info - you have to provide SOME info.

    Why don't they just ask for my licence number?
    Because they (the BBC) do not want to do that for political reasons. My guess is that they do not want to adopt a near-subscription model for iPlayer without there having been some kind of public debate about it first.

    Would making a complaint make a difference, surely there is some data protection rule says I should be able to access without providing this info!
    There is no automatic right to use iPlayer. You could investigate what the BBC is doing with your data and compare that with the requirements of the Data Protection Act. If there were any discrepancies then you could use them as the basis for a complaint to the ICO.
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    • anotheruser
    • By anotheruser 4th Sep 17, 12:56 PM
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    You don't have to provide YOUR info - you have to provide SOME info.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    This.

    And this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/14/bbc-admits-cannot-stop-iplayer-users-faking-details-evade-licence/
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 4th Sep 17, 1:02 PM
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    As usual with matters concerning the TV Licence, the truth is something of a scarce commodity.

    The truth is that the BBC's approach never could robustly ensure that people would register with correct details (because it does not verify them) and it never sought to robustly match those details against its TV Licence database (because it does not have a proper common data item). That is what the BBC implemented, and it was their choice (and theirs alone) to go down that road. Perhaps they should have consulted someone who knew what they were doing, or perhaps they did that, and then ignored the advice because entering a Licence number to view iPlayer was deemed politically unacceptable.

    Who knows what their agenda is, in now pleading "poverty of invention" around the solution they designed and implemented? Perhaps they are going to lobby Government for more powers or an alternative funding methodology? Sad to see such an august institution succumb to lazy, ill-disciplined thinking.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 04-09-2017 at 1:10 PM.
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    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 4th Sep 17, 10:57 PM
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    Many are forgetting something about the BBC: it is respected around the world by people whose nations do not have anything like it. A Public, publicly-financed broadcaster which shows programmes without annoying ads and Sponsors. The fact is, that it is being attacked on all sides in its own country, by the government, the media and the sneering, chattering classes. And it continues to produce a lot of superior broadcasting on radio and TV, much of which is sold or licensed abroad, to help it with financing programme content. Content which has to cover many, many tastes and ages. Some small parts of it I detest, but I am happy for those who like that, it's what they want and they are as entitled to their choice as I am.

    I am quite happy to continue paying a licence fee and I don't mind that the Beeb wants my details. How many times do we give those same details to commercial outlets, in order to make a purchase? If it now applies to iPlayer, good. I use it a lot and am content to think it is now covered by the licence. No one has a gun held to their head and is forced to watch it. It's just telly, get over it!
    There may be more than one way to skin a cat.
    But the result is always inedible.

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