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    • LABMAN
    • By LABMAN 9th May 17, 4:03 PM
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    Strictly Come Dancing 2017 thread
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    • 9th May 17, 4:03 PM
    Strictly Come Dancing 2017 thread 9th May 17 at 4:03 PM
    As the new head judge (Shirley Ballas) has been announced today I thought it was an opportune excuse to start the 2017 SCD thread!
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 5th Dec 17, 1:03 PM
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    One sportsman who we thought would have an advantage was Joe Calzaghe, as a nimble, light on his feet boxer. He was flipping hopeless!

    He got a new love, though, which didn’t last!
    Last edited by pollypenny; 05-12-2017 at 5:07 PM.
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    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 5th Dec 17, 2:55 PM
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    I think that's exactly the point of the whole show, that non dancers become dancers, or we might as well just have a show full of trained dancers, which sadly it's slowky becoming ����
    Originally posted by candygirl
    I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    The show is not what it used to be.
    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 5th Dec 17, 9:49 PM
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    So 11 out of 14 weren't sportspeople. Harding an overwhelming success rate there for the sportspeople.
    Originally posted by peachyprice
    Or , to look at a different way (and including Chris Hollins) nearly a third of the winners were sports people.
    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 5th Dec 17, 9:50 PM
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    I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    The show is not what it used to be.
    Originally posted by POPPYOSCAR
    I agree, but not for that reason. I think a show with all non dancers would be impossible to recruit for and extremely dull to watch.
    Last edited by Tabbytabitha; 05-12-2017 at 9:53 PM.
    • charlies_mum
    • By charlies_mum 5th Dec 17, 10:32 PM
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    I agree, but not for that reason. I think a show with all non dancers would be impossible to recruit for and extremely dull to watch.
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha
    I disagree. It might be difficult to recruit completely non dancers, but there are lots out there with limited dance experience, and it would be far more entertaining to watch their journey than ones with extensive dance experience who are top of the leader board from week 1.
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    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 5th Dec 17, 11:00 PM
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    I disagree. It might be difficult to recruit completely non dancers, but there are lots out there with limited dance experience, and it would be far more entertaining to watch their journey than ones with extensive dance experience who are top of the leader board from week 1.
    Originally posted by charlies_mum
    Every actor who's been to drama school will have had dance training, as will most pop singers in the girl/boy band mode. You'd end up having to scrape the barrel and letting the reality "stars" in and that really would be the death of the programme.

    It would also be incredibly boring in the early weeks with everybody dancing badly -
    many viewers would have lost interest by the time the majority had achieved some level if competence.
    • charlies_mum
    • By charlies_mum 5th Dec 17, 11:18 PM
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    Every actor who's been to drama school will have had dance training, as will most pop singers in the girl/boy band mode. You'd end up having to scrape the barrel and letting the reality "stars" in and that really would be the death of the programme.

    It would also be incredibly boring in the early weeks with everybody dancing badly -
    many viewers would have lost interest by the time the majority had achieved some level if competence.
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha
    I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Basic dance training is fine, but when professionally trained dancers are competing, the show is already dying

    It really isn't boring in the early weeks when everyone is dancing badly as the whole point is watching how they progress.
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    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 5th Dec 17, 11:24 PM
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    Every actor who's been to drama school will have had dance training, as will most pop singers in the girl/boy band mode. You'd end up having to scrape the barrel and letting the reality "stars" in and that really would be the death of the programme.

    It would also be incredibly boring in the early weeks with everybody dancing badly -
    many viewers would have lost interest by the time the majority had achieved some level if competence
    .
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha
    I disagree.

    Most people I talk to want to see people learning to dance and progressing.

    And judging by comments I see online a lot of people feel the same.

    It has changed for the worse even previous professional dancers have made some interesting comments.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 6th Dec 17, 7:13 AM
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    Or , to look at a different way (and including Chris Hollins) nearly a third of the winners were sports people.
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha
    Maths isn't your strong point then

    28% is not nearly a third.
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    • andygb
    • By andygb 6th Dec 17, 7:56 AM
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    Maths isn't your strong point then

    28% is not nearly a third.
    Originally posted by peachyprice

    It is higher than 28% because 4 previous sportsmen were winners - Mark Ramprakash, Darren Gough, Chris Hollins and Louis Smith.
    All but four of the previous winners PLUS the sportsmen had extensive dance training, far more training than Alexandra Burke.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 6th Dec 17, 8:35 AM
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    It is higher than 28% because 4 previous sportsmen were winners - Mark Ramprakash, Darren Gough, Chris Hollins and Louis Smith.
    All but four of the previous winners PLUS the sportsmen had extensive dance training, far more training than Alexandra Burke.
    Originally posted by andygb
    How is 4 out of 14 higher than 28%?

    We're talking about Tabbytabitha's claim that sport people also have an advantage, they said 4 sportspeople have won, making nearly a third of winners sportspeople. 4 out of 14 is not a third, it is 28.6%.

    In fact the number of sportpeople who have won is exactly the same as the number of non-dancer/sportspeople, 4.

    Being a sportsperson helps with the stamina, but it certainly doesn't make you a good dancer, same as being a dancer doesn't make you a good athlete. My dancer daughter can't run for toffee!
    Last edited by peachyprice; 06-12-2017 at 9:21 AM.
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    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 6th Dec 17, 8:49 AM
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    Zoe Ball's comment on ITT yesterday was interesting. She told Alexandra that she should do 'the pro challenge'.

    Non-dancers boring -joe, Davood, Rev. Richard?

    They are what makes the programme.
    Last edited by pollypenny; 06-12-2017 at 12:13 PM.
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    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 6th Dec 17, 10:01 AM
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    Maths isn't your strong point then

    28% is not nearly a third.
    Originally posted by peachyprice
    I think that would be you.

    A third of 14 is 4.66 (recurring), so 4 is, in my book, almost a third.
    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 6th Dec 17, 10:07 AM
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    Zoe Ball's comment on ITT yesterday was interest. She told Alexandra that she should do 'the pro challenge'.

    Non-dancers boring -joe, Davood, Rev. Richard?

    They are what makes the programme.
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    A few can certainly make the programme interesting if they have a good personality and/or learn quickly but a whole programme of people like Judy Murray and Charlotte Hawkins would have seen the show end many years ago.

    In addition, having some people with a certain amount of training lifts the standard required to do well. I really wonder how well Davood would have done if all the other competitors were like Judy and Charlotte.
    Last edited by Tabbytabitha; 06-12-2017 at 10:16 AM.
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 6th Dec 17, 12:15 PM
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    A few can certainly make the programme interesting if they have a good personality and/or learn quickly but a whole programme of people like Judy Murray and Charlotte Hawkins would have seen the show end many years ago.

    In addition, having some people with a certain amount of training lifts the standard required to do well. I really wonder how well Davood would have done if all the other competitors were like Judy and Charlotte.
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha


    I’m glad you reminded me of Judy Murray. She’s considerably more than Andy’s mother; she’s a sportswoman in her own right.

    She was hopeless, bless her, but she tried.
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    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 6th Dec 17, 12:26 PM
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    How is 4 out of 14 higher than 28%?

    We're talking about Tabbytabitha's claim that sport people also have an advantage, they said 4 sportspeople have won, making nearly a third of winners sportspeople. 4 out of 14 is not a third, it is 28.6%.

    In fact the number of sportpeople who have won is exactly the same as the number of non-dancer/sportspeople, 4.

    Being a sportsperson helps with the stamina, but it certainly doesn't make you a good dancer, same as being a dancer doesn't make you a good athlete. My dancer daughter can't run for toffee!
    Originally posted by peachyprice



    Had to laugh at that!

    My daughter is exactly the same. No way could she be described as an athelete but she has been dancing since the age of 4 and now teaches dance to examination grades.

    She has a lot to say about trained dancers being on the show.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 6th Dec 17, 12:28 PM
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    I think that would be you.

    A third of 14 is 4.66 (recurring), so 4 is, in my book, almost a third.
    Originally posted by Tabbytabitha
    Have it your way. (But i don't think .66 (recurring) works with whole people)

    But that means that almost a third of non-dancers/athletes have won too. So where the advantage?
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    • andygb
    • By andygb 6th Dec 17, 12:38 PM
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    Zoe Ball's comment on ITT yesterday was interesting. She told Alexandra that she should do 'the pro challenge'.

    Non-dancers boring -joe, Davood, Rev. Richard?

    They are what makes the programme.
    Originally posted by pollypenny

    Hardly a non dancer "darling", as he played Caractacus Potts in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, when it toured in Singapore from 2005 to 2008.
    He has performed in a host of other stage productions as well.
    • POPPYOSCAR
    • By POPPYOSCAR 6th Dec 17, 12:45 PM
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    Hardly a non dancer "darling", as he played Caractacus Potts in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, when it toured in Singapore from 2005 to 2008.
    He has performed in a host of other stage productions as well.
    Originally posted by andygb
    Ooh Pollypenny is your darling!!

    Do not think Davood has had any formal dance training has he?

    Just googled to find what other shows he has been in and cannot find anything do you have a link please?
    Last edited by POPPYOSCAR; 06-12-2017 at 12:49 PM.
    • andygb
    • By andygb 6th Dec 17, 2:21 PM
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    Ooh Pollypenny is your darling!!

    Do not think Davood has had any formal dance training has he?

    Just googled to find what other shows he has been in and cannot find anything do you have a link please?
    Originally posted by POPPYOSCAR

    Davood is genuinely "pukka" which is why we kept voting for him, definitely the best of the "no previous" crowd, although I did hear a rumour that he did a bit of "dad" dancing at parties
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