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    • deaston
    • By deaston 9th May 17, 7:47 AM
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    Does an illegal plate circumvent average speed cameras?
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    • 9th May 17, 7:47 AM
    Does an illegal plate circumvent average speed cameras? 9th May 17 at 7:47 AM
    I see illegally spaced plates absolutely everywhere and very often on company vehicles - I saw one this morning where the number one had been moved right so the plate of a locksmith said "1ock".

    The police clearly don't care about them but I was wondering - does this stop drivers being caught by average speed cameras?
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 14th May 17, 8:23 PM
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    I wonder if it is illegal to have a paint scheme that consists of numbers and letters in a similar font to a number plate. That would give the computer something to think about.
    Originally posted by iltisman
    There's a much simpler solution. All you need to do is to renounce the legal fiction your parents signed with the government when you were born, and you're outside of the contractual relationship with the "government". Then take the plates off, send them back to DVLA, and you're free! There's nothing they can do!

    http://www.projectfreeman.com/stoptax-3-noticetoDVLA.htm

    What could possibly go wrong?
    • elscint
    • By elscint 17th May 17, 8:14 PM
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    An illegally spaced number plate means that the car is NOT insured!! Why? All insurance policies carry a clause which states - "you must notify us if you modify you vehicle or your insurance may be invalidated" - or words to that effect. You wouldn't tell your insurer that you have installed something illegal on your car- would you? No, therefore you have voided you car insurance, its called Contract Law.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 17th May 17, 10:32 PM
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    An illegally spaced number plate means that the car is NOT insured!! Why? All insurance policies carry a clause which states - "you must notify us if you modify you vehicle or your insurance may be invalidated" - or words to that effect. You wouldn't tell your insurer that you have installed something illegal on your car- would you? No, therefore you have voided you car insurance, its called Contract Law.
    Originally posted by elscint
    So if a bulb blows or you run out of washer fluid on a journey your insurance is void too?
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 18th May 17, 7:13 AM
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    An illegally spaced number plate means that the car is NOT insured!! Why? All insurance policies carry a clause which states - "you must notify us if you modify you vehicle or your insurance may be invalidated" - or words to that effect. You wouldn't tell your insurer that you have installed something illegal on your car- would you? No, therefore you have voided you car insurance, its called Contract Law.
    Originally posted by elscint
    No, it's called !!!!!!!!.

    Fitting a different number plate is not a modification by any stretch of the imagination.
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 18th May 17, 9:03 AM
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    Yes - there are plenty around. At one point I used to amuse myself in crawling traffic by seeing how many there were around. I wonder if the recognition software will eventually get to the stage of being able to recognise an illegal font or spacing then work out what the actual reg mark is and ding the Registered Keeper with a Fixed Penalty automatically? Doubling if caught again...

    To be honest - most of them are quite pathetic. If a random observer has to spend more than 10 seconds working out what the owner thinks it says, it's wasted. I occasionally see black on silver plates (only legal on pre '73) on black vehicles (most recently a black Harley Davidson parked on the pavement outside Holborn Tube) and I can see there's an aesthetic thing there. Presumably ANPR can handle those if they are correct font and spacing but would it flag the colours?
    One day I'll think of something witty - Apparently I have!
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 18th May 17, 9:21 AM
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    I occasionally see black on silver plates (only legal on pre '73)
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    No, they're now legal on anything registered as a historic vehicle, so rolling 40yr, currently manufactured before 1/1/77.

    But if you're looking around London for the biggest and longest-term misuser of them, then try starting with large red vehicles.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 18th May 17, 9:42 AM
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    Yes - there are plenty around. At one point I used to amuse myself in crawling traffic by seeing how many there were around. I wonder if the recognition software will eventually get to the stage of being able to recognise an illegal font or spacing then work out what the actual reg mark is and ding the Registered Keeper with a Fixed Penalty automatically? Doubling if caught again...

    To be honest - most of them are quite pathetic. If a random observer has to spend more than 10 seconds working out what the owner thinks it says, it's wasted. I occasionally see black on silver plates (only legal on pre '73) on black vehicles (most recently a black Harley Davidson parked on the pavement outside Holborn Tube) and I can see there's an aesthetic thing there. Presumably ANPR can handle those if they are correct font and spacing but would it flag the colours?
    Originally posted by NBLondon
    Software which can read strange fonts, and even handwriting, has been freely available for years.

    Why does anyone imagine that the ANPR system can't?
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 18th May 17, 11:42 AM
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    Software which can read strange fonts, and even handwriting, has been freely available for years.

    Why does anyone imagine that the ANPR system can't?
    Originally posted by Car 54
    Because they have seen it first hand being unable to read it?
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 18th May 17, 4:49 PM
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    Because they have seen it first hand being unable to read it?
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    And have we seen any evidence of such a failure?
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 18th May 17, 5:37 PM
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    No, they're now legal on anything registered as a historic vehicle, so rolling 40yr, currently manufactured before 1/1/77.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    I sit corrected. I didn't know it had been aligned with the VED exemption. But the 06 plate on that Harley is a bit early!
    Why does anyone imagine that the ANPR system can't?
    Originally posted by Car 54
    Because as I said above - wouldn't it be an easy way to whack out penalties and make revenue? Even if questionable ones got routed to a human for a second opinion it should be cost-effective (assuming the penalties are actually collected and not ignored).
    One day I'll think of something witty - Apparently I have!
    • IanMSpencer
    • By IanMSpencer 18th May 17, 5:43 PM
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    The reality is in any significantly traffic'd roadworks, few drivers can actually speed for a significant distance as they tend to have three lanes all travelling roughly about 50mph, give or take.

    I did have a young girl go absolutely insane as I had the temerity to drive at 50mph, pass her when she got trapped by a line of cars, having passed the first speed camera at about 80mph and then misjudging the lane change.
    Having been subjected to a fake ramming from her, I decided to switch to the left lane, but made the mistake of leaving a few car lengths to the car I had just passed, even though I was going to need to pull out again to maintain my pace. She switched lanes aggressively as I was smoothly changing lanes - I suspect she was then caught out by her acceleration into a disappearing space so she had to brake hard, she then switched back and floored it while screaming at me. After she raced passed, I moved back out, only to find that she had virtually stopped in the middle lane to brake test me so I calmly switched to the outside lane and passed her (avoiding a collision - 2 second rule doesn't allow for that sort of behaviour) - more screaming obscenities. She then hurtled forward, doing aggressive lane switching, pushing the handling of her Focus to the limit. She probably got 10 car lengths ahead of me.
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