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    • Noree
    • By Noree 26th Apr 17, 9:30 PM
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    NGP - Company Vehicle
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    • 26th Apr 17, 9:30 PM
    NGP - Company Vehicle 26th Apr 17 at 9:30 PM
    Hi all

    I've been reading this forum for a while now and have had two 'charges' in the past. They've previously been ignored and then have effectively disappeared. Information that I've read on here in the past has really helped, so many thanks!

    I've read the newbie section, but would like to see if anyone could assist on this occasion...

    I now have a company/lease vehicle and received an email from a colleague in the office regarding a charge from New Generation Parking.

    The notice is from the start of March, though I was only notified yesterday from work as they (apparently) knew nothing of it until yesterday. I would believe they had their details forwarded from the lease company from when the notice was originally sent out?! What is better is it's their final notice. So at some point, they must've perhaps sent the first invoice to the lease company, then now to my work.

    There wasn't any notice stuck on my windscreen from the date of NGP's notice.

    If it was my own vehicle, I couldn't care less and they could continue to bother me for as long as they wanted, but the newbie advice is to respond and fight back.

    Due to my circumstances of late notice (no pun intended) on this matter, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Shall I respond and give them my details as the keeper of the vehicle? This may then ensure the rest of the dialogue doesn't interfere with the lease company or my work?!

    Also, the pictures are really bad on the notice.

    Could I argue that there's insufficient proof that it's my vehicle. They haven't even verified the vehicle from its chassis number.

    These companies really are a jobsworth and bully many people into money. If I made a living off doing this, then I'd feel my earnings are tainted.

    Perhaps I should just charge them £200 admin fee for every email I send them?!

    Thanks in advance.
    Last edited by Noree; 27-04-2017 at 8:45 PM.
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    • Noree
    • By Noree 13th Aug 17, 9:20 PM
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    Hi all

    Q1. Could someone please let me know where to email my County Court Defence?

    My 28 days are almost up.

    I have printed and signed, will get it scanned then submit it.

    I've had a little look on this forum but when I type "claim defence email" I pretty much get every topic pop up in the results!!

    Q2. Also, as I'm using the MCOL service, do I have to send off any of the paperwork?

    If it can be emailed, I can scan and send to myself first. If not, I will send recorded delivery to the courts.

    Q3. Any option on what action is best?
    Last edited by Noree; 13-08-2017 at 9:44 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Aug 17, 9:54 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    I've had a little look on this forum but when I type "claim defence email" I pretty much get every topic pop up in the results!!
    Yep, so you narrow it by changing the search to 'show posts'. Maybe try 'CCBC email' then 'show POSTS' (never leave it at 'show threads').
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Noree
    • By Noree 13th Aug 17, 10:08 PM
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    I did a quick search, then reverted to Google!

    It would appear it's the following:

    County Court Business Centre (CCBC): ccbc@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk

    Source: https://courttribunalfinder.service.gov.uk/courts/county-court-business-centre-ccbc

    I suppose I could send a receipt to confirm it was sent, along with a read receipt. Hopefully that shuold suffice?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Aug 17, 10:28 PM
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    Yes, or ring them on Tuesday to check it is received, if MCOL is not updated within 24 hrs.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Softwaremad
    • By Softwaremad 14th Aug 17, 8:10 PM
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    Softwaremad
    NGP Criminal Charge
    So glad to see that you found that information and can include it in your defence, if you want further information as to specifics, please let me know as i went to watch them wriggle their lying bums out of it by way of an mis-informed legal representative.

    For your information - your PCN - NTK would have been a non compliant notice- no duration present on it (required) often they also cited only the postcode as to location - this also is not permitted as many parking areas can be present in one postal area.

    NGPM - have taken a lot of losses locally - an extremely predatory company with really awful customer relation skillsets missing as well as compassion bypasses.

    Ant(h)ony Roberts - Director - has informed legal team that he was on the board of the British Parking Association Ltd and was instrumental in the creation of the code of practice that is industry standard in the UK today! Despite the firm jumping ship on 31st December 2015 to the International Parking Community Ltd.

    There is a three month period in which the BPA logo is permitted to be present before signs are expected to be changed.

    Beware - they like to insinuate that stickers were/are placed over the incorrect logo and the defendants and local folk continuously peel them off.

    Personally i love to add the paragraph relating to conflict of interest regarding the IPC/IAS and gladstones then handling the claims - even though the directors have withdrawn from one company each the shares are still listed as 50/50.

    Someone special paid £60 for a copy of the criminal charges and convictions - shame it wasn't more they had to cough up or prison, but hey ho maybe next time.

    Make sure you notify trading standards where you are what they are up to though
    • Noree
    • By Noree 14th Aug 17, 9:38 PM
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    Thank you softwaremad. I appreciate your stance and share it.

    Don't worry, I have mentioned all in my defence. I'm actually intreagued on as to how this case pans out.

    I'll keep all informed on this forum. It's a great network and very helpful for anyone who decides that they're going to rise to the scams on theses so called 'companies'.

    The advice and supportive sentiments mean a lot!

    I'm definitely pro-defence for the sake of goodness of the public!!
    • Noree
    • By Noree 6th Sep 17, 11:14 PM
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    Hi all. So I've received a copy of Gladstones' Directive Questionnaire with the whole 'hearing on papers' malark'. But I've not received anything from the courts?!

    Thought this was a bit odd. I'd imagine I'd have my questionnaire if they've already had one, then sent me a copy of theirs?! Makes me wander if it's a legit DQ.

    I'll call the courts tomorrow and ask if they know why.

    From what has been posted on the newbies thread, two DQ's are sent out; one for the Claimant and the other for the Defendant.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 6th Sep 17, 11:17 PM
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    So it's a legit one. Theyhave to send you their copy

    See what mcol,says. Or ring. Or just download your own.
    • Noree
    • By Noree 6th Sep 17, 11:31 PM
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    Noree
    Logged into MCOL and no other update as of yet since the defence was submitted.

    I'll phone them tomorrow.

    Thanks.
    • Noree
    • By Noree 18th Sep 17, 9:05 PM
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    Right - so got the directions questionnaire.

    "Serve copies on all other parties"..... Can I just take a photo of each page of the questionnaire and email it to the 'solicitors' (G's). Solicitors being a loose term

    Or do I really have to fill another one in? I'd imagine a photo of each page is as good as a scan.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 18th Sep 17, 10:31 PM
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    A scan or copy is fine.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Noree
    • By Noree 5th Nov 17, 5:16 PM
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    Hi all.

    So I've received a court date. I am in the process of drafting my WS (will post soon). However, there is a bold and underlined statement near the top of the page. Is this normal?

    It says something along the lines of:

    Unless the Claimant pays the court £25 or files a properly completed application for help with fees, then the claim will be struck out on X date.

    Is it normal to see what I have on my hearing letter? If not, what does this mean exactly, any ideas?

    Thanks
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 5th Nov 17, 5:26 PM
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    Unless the Claimant pays the court £25 or files a properly completed application for help with fees, then the claim will be struck out on X date.
    Originally posted by Noree
    Not many ways of saying it, but it means that if the claimant has not paid the £25 fee, or made an application to the court with good reason to pay less, by the specified date the case will not go ahead.

    You should assume that the case is definitely going ahead until you hear differently from the court.
    .
    • Noree
    • By Noree 5th Nov 17, 5:43 PM
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    Thanks Keith.

    Below is my first draft of the WS. I will add in and make reference to Evidence where/when applicable.

    New Generation Parking Management (Claimant) AND XXXXXXXXX (Defendant).
    1. I am XXXXXXXXX, the Defendant in this matter. My address for service is XXXXXXXXXXXXX.
    2. This is my witness statement.
    3. For the avoidance of doubt on the relevant date I was the keeper/hirer of the XXXXX XXXXX, registration number XXXXXX.
    4. It is believed that it will be a matter of common ground that the purported debt arose as the result of the issue of a parking charge notice in relation to an alleged breach of the terms and conditions by the driver of the above vehicle when it was parked at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
    5. The Particular of Claim submitted by the Claimant says the Defendant was driving the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence. I would like to put the Claimant to strict proof on this matter. As the Defendant, I deny this in its entirety.
    6. The Claimant has completely failed to comply with the strict and clear legislation of Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 (Schedule 4), which the Claimant mentions in their “Final Notice” document. The Defendant has not received any Notice to Hirer documentation. Please refer to section POFA Schedule 4, paragraphs 13 & 14 for full compliance required by the Claimant. This has not been met and clearly shows a breach of this legislation. I am still waiting for all required documentation. Please see my defence on point #3, #4 & #5.
    7. Having visited the site of the alleged offence, I can confirm that incorrect signage is in place. This includes upon entry and at the exit of the site. The signs state the Claimant are approved and associated with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, when it would appear this is incorrect. The Claimant are actually approved by The International Parking Community (IPC). Please refer to points #6 & #7 of my defence. I have not been supplied any such documentation that was requested from the point of submitting my defence. Photographic and video evidence will evidence incorrect signage, complete with dates. This is not the first time the Claimant have fallen foul of incorrect signage. See point #9 of my defence.
    8. A total of three parking notices have been issued for the vehicle related in this case, but only this one case has been pursued. Point #9 explains further. I, the Defendant, ask that these additional two parking notices are struck out, with the risk of further time taken to defend each case and the possibility of wasting the courts’ time.
    9. I have not been informed of how long the vehicle was allegedly parked. I don’t know if the vehicle had stopped or parked up and no time duration has been given. From the pictures received, I cannot confirm if anyone is in the vehicle. As per point #10 in my defence, the duration of stay is relevant to comply with POFA 2012 Schedule 4. I can only assume that there wasn’t any form of grace period given.
    10. I cannot confirm who was driving at the time of the alleged offence and seeing as all three tickets, including the one in question are on weekends, more than one person uses it during Saturday and Sundays. See point #11 & #12 of my defence.
    11. I do not understand the breakdown of the price and the amounts the Claimant are asking seem made up and have not been fully defined, as per #14 in my defence.
    12. I did not appeal as thought to be a scam, commonly known as a ‘robo-claim’. Was half-minded about taking this seriously. There are various (easily accessible) online threads referring to both the Claimant and their solicitors that questioned the full credibility of this alleged offense. See #15 and #16 for further justification.
    13. Further from my defence, I am yet to receive any proof that the Claimant have acted in the correct manner as per their Code of Practice and have obtained the Registered Keeper details from DVLA on all three occasions, for all three respective notices/invoices. Further information at point #17 of my defence.
    14. It would appear the Claimant do not adhere to their code of practice, they have incorrect and invalid signage and clearly breach of POFA 2012 on many occasions. They instead act by their own means to ‘scare-monger’ to try and claim money without means of any moral integrity. I also feel like the Claimant have ignored my defence as no proof (where requested) has been given.

    I do make reference to my Defence as I think it sums up what I can put into my own WS. Here is the link to my Defence in this thread so you can link the points: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5640028&page=2#26

    Please feed back, all would be welcome and can help me with this matter!!!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Nov 17, 7:06 PM
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    Hi all.

    So I've received a court date. I am in the process of drafting my WS (will post soon). However, there is a bold and underlined statement near the top of the page. Is this normal?

    It says something along the lines of:

    Unless the Claimant pays the court £25 or files a properly completed application for help with fees, then the claim will be struck out on X date.

    Is it normal to see what I have on my hearing letter? If not, what does this mean exactly, any ideas?
    Originally posted by Noree
    Perfectly normal - they are the claimant, they have to pay for a hearing.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Noree
    • By Noree 5th Nov 17, 9:54 PM
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    As for the WS, is it any good? As there aren’t any witnesses that I can add to the matter!
    • Noree
    • By Noree 7th Nov 17, 6:17 PM
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    <thread bumped>

    Feedback on the WS would be great all!

    Many thanks
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