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    • Bif
    • By Bif 20th Apr 17, 2:28 AM
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    Avoiding Stamp Duty surcharge on second property
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    • 20th Apr 17, 2:28 AM
    Avoiding Stamp Duty surcharge on second property 20th Apr 17 at 2:28 AM
    Hi all,

    I live in employer owned accommodation during the week, and with parents at weekends. I own a property which I rent out and want to keep.

    I now want to buy and live in a property with my GF (first time buyer - I realise this is irrelevant with regard to new SDLT rules). This will be my main residence, my previous one being my parents' house, so I am liable for the 3% SDLT surcharge.

    We are looking at buying something for around £350k, resulting in an £18k SDLT bill.

    What I'd like to know is, could we initially buy somewhere for say £150k, pay the £5k bill (3% surcharge as I will have gained a property), then sell it soon afterwards, buy for £350k, and only pay £5k on that (no surcharge as I will still have the same number of properties)?

    How far could you go with this? Could you buy a <£40k property, live in it for a period of time, then trade up, avoiding the surcharge altogther?

    I realise HMRC wouldn't look kindly on this but I'm just curious as to whether there are actual rules in place. Surely it has been covered somewhere; I have read the full guide and many forum threads and articles but couldn't find anything.
    Last edited by Bif; 20-04-2017 at 2:37 AM.
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    • Mrs36
    • By Mrs36 20th Apr 17, 5:06 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 5:06 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 5:06 AM
    You admit yourself HMRC will take a dim view. Just pay what you owe - it is your choice to keep the rental property.
    • giddypenguin
    • By giddypenguin 20th Apr 17, 7:53 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 7:53 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 7:53 AM
    You will need to keep the first property for at least 6 months.

    You would need to factor into account estate agency fees (£2k?), extra legal fees and surveys.

    It doesn't sound like you'll save much in the long run (if anything) and it'll be a load more stressful.
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    • saajan_12
    • By saajan_12 20th Apr 17, 9:29 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 9:29 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 9:29 AM
    In order to show them as two separate transactions, you would need to actually live in the cheap property for enough time. The expenses involved in an extra move include
    - EA fees (extra sale)
    - legal costs (extra sale & purchase)
    - mortgage valuation fee
    - high mortgage interest / ERCs if you end up with a fixed deal
    - normal stamp duty on cheap place (if above threshold)
    - removals van / packing costs
    - renovation costs to make the cheap place habitable
    - time to reregister address, mail redirection
    - time to view, searches, apply for mortgage
    - time to pack/unpack
    - time in renovating / cleaning cheap place to be habitable

    Also you'd be hard pressed to find two properties in a similar area with sufficiently different values (so expensive property is high enough that the stamp duty makes enough of a difference to cover the standing costs).
    • Harryp_24
    • By Harryp_24 20th Apr 17, 10:33 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 10:33 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 10:33 AM
    youre barely going to save money doing that probably end up paying more in the fees and ercs
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