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    • MoreTeaDear
    • By MoreTeaDear 19th Apr 17, 12:37 PM
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    Staff aren't paid for ongoing training.
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    • 19th Apr 17, 12:37 PM
    Staff aren't paid for ongoing training. 19th Apr 17 at 12:37 PM
    I started working for a small care-home a few months ago, specialising in special needs patients. The work is paid at minimum wage. There is a lot of on going training needed due to the special needs and caring element. The staff there aren't being paid for off site training, despite this being a requirement for the job and no incentive of a pay-rise. I thought it was a legal requirement for a business to pay for this, but I can't find any info when doing a Google search. Would someone please clarify this for me. Many thanks.
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    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 19th Apr 17, 12:59 PM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 12:59 PM
    There's no legal right to be paid for training. There is, however, a legal right to not be paid less than the living wage. If this training counts as work time (I would define that as compulsory attendance) then not being paid will be a breach of the law.

    On the other hand, raising this will be the fastest route to dismissal for "a comply unconnected reason". So you may want to consider how you manage this very carefully.

    Is the training compulsory or not?
    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 19th Apr 17, 7:16 PM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 7:16 PM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 7:16 PM
    Is any of it health and safety training? The HSE implies that should be paid for.
    http://www.hse.gov.uk/simple-health-safety/provide.htm
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    • ohreally
    • By ohreally 19th Apr 17, 7:49 PM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 7:49 PM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 7:49 PM
    The HSE implies that should be paid for.
    Originally posted by theoretica
    The training should take place during normal shift hours, it doesn't necessarily need to be paid, TOIL can be offered.


    Sec 13, 2&3 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/3242/regulation/13/made
    • MoreTeaDear
    • By MoreTeaDear 20th Apr 17, 10:57 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 10:57 AM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 10:57 AM
    Thank you for your reply. Yes the training is compulsory and is done in a training centre off site.
    • so very confused
    • By so very confused 20th Apr 17, 12:06 PM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 12:06 PM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 12:06 PM
    It should be paid or TOIL. Check with your governing body as to what is required training. This should be covered.
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    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 20th Apr 17, 1:12 PM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 1:12 PM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 1:12 PM
    Thank you for your reply. Yes the training is compulsory and is done in a training centre off site.
    Originally posted by MoreTeaDear
    So that beings the wage below the living wage. You can raise the matter with the employer and ask to be paid. Or you can report it to the HMRC who will take it up with the employer. Either way, you need to be aware of the fact that the employer may simply get rid of their staff and employ more. If you can't afford to lose the job, then you need to wait until you have another one first.
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