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    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 18th Apr 17, 8:14 PM
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    Insomnia
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    • 18th Apr 17, 8:14 PM
    Insomnia 18th Apr 17 at 8:14 PM
    It's been another three weeks since I last really moaned about my lot online.

    Still off work, but have a specialist appointment in the morning (sparrowfart o'clock), so travelling in rush hour, buses, trains, the lot.

    Anyhow, I'm still not sleeping more than a couple of hours every couple of days, usually between 7 and 9am. Whilst some here might find that acceptable or normal for them, I've sort of functioned - I managed to run a bath and have it without drowning, put clothes on the right way round (which isn't guaranteed 100% successful even with full sleep ), done a bit of watering in the garden & chuck some wildflower seeds down on a bare patch, make a couple of cups of tea, that kind of thing - oh, and realise the boiler had lost pressure, so topped it up.

    Unfortunately, it didn't quite register with me that I'd overfilled it a bit. Until it started banging like a bag of spanners in a washing machine. Nonetheless, I managed to explain to OH that it just needed the extra pressure releasing by bleeding off some water from the radiator. And what bleeding meant. And what to undo to bleed it. And what to use to undo it. And where to find it. And to provide cloths when he found out that releasing liquid under pressure means it spurts out rather than trickling. But the floor looks a lot cleaner now, so it's still a win in my book.


    If I go to sleep now, I'll be awake by 9.30 and still be awake all night. But I've just knocked over my cup and I'm correcting typos every couple of characters. I'm flagging. Not yawning -
    probably looking a bit glazed and wide eyed, though.



    Anyhow, my main moan was that I went back to the GP today. Very nice lady. However, after waiting an hour and a half past my appointment time to see her, all she could suggest was starting a course of antidepressants. Now, I'll concede that being ill, work, etc, is stressful, but stress =/= depression. And I learned from bitter experience when treated off licence with the things for pain several years ago that taking them when I'm not depressed and for something else they haven't been scientifically proven to have a positive effect upon patient outcomes, is a surefire way to get me going somewhat loopy. Batshit loopy, to be precise. So I very politely declined and explained and left without any concrete help, just a sympathetic smile from her. [Because prescribing a couple of days of something that has been proven clinically to actually work isn't apparently acceptable in modern medicine, as, according to NHS protocols, the only people who want something that works are going to sell it on the black market or become shambling addicts for years on end]


    And then, to add insult to injury, the OH has disappeared off upstairs and is obviously having a little nap. That is, he's snoring his head off. Having not got up until just before 11.30am and having slept like a rootling pig since midnight the night before.



    Yes, yes, whinge, whinge, whinge. I need to sleep, but I need to not sleep quite now. And I need to wake up at stupid o'clock. When I'm consistently still awake at stupid bloody o'clock at present.


    The moral of this story? It's possible to stay awake for 47 hours straight with nothing more than camomile tea over the laminate and the noisiest combination boiler in the known universe to show for it. And don't whatever you do, when confronted with a spouse who is in that state, sneak off upstairs 'to put some socks on' but get into bed, close your eyes and recommence the rumbling noises that have accompanied almost all their multitudinous waking hours for the last month and a half.


    Oh, and stay away from Amazon in that state. Otherwise, chest freezers and woodchippers start to appeal to you.



    Only about an hour or so to go. Keep going. Keep going..
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
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    • Missli
    • By Missli 18th Apr 17, 8:24 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 8:24 PM
    I hope you get back into a proper sleep routine. I've had bouts of insomnia in the past, and they were tough. Hopefully you'll keel over and fall asleep exhausted.
    I'm taking a natural serotonin booster at night, which also contains chamomile and valerian, and have been sleeping like a baby.
    Is your OH keeping you awake snoring. I can't sleep through noise. I'm a swift elbow in the ribs type.
    • OldMotherTucker
    • By OldMotherTucker 18th Apr 17, 9:01 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:01 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:01 PM
    https://www.uksleepingpills.com/product/zopiclone-75-mg
    I thought Buckfast was an Abbey in Devon . .
    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 18th Apr 17, 9:44 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:44 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:44 PM
    I hope you get back into a proper sleep routine. I've had bouts of insomnia in the past, and they were tough. Hopefully you'll keel over and fall asleep exhausted.
    I'm taking a natural serotonin booster at night, which also contains chamomile and valerian, and have been sleeping like a baby.
    Is your OH keeping you awake snoring. I can't sleep through noise. I'm a swift elbow in the ribs type.
    Originally posted by Missli

    Nah. He just irritates me by being able to sleep in the first place
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • Mista_C
    • By Mista_C 18th Apr 17, 9:47 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:47 PM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:47 PM
    You need that bottle of Tesco Jack Daniels more than I.

    As a fellow insomniac I empathise with you. I'd just (this year) gotten back into a decent sleeping pattern for me (12:30-01:00 to 05:00-06:00) when I started sleep walking again.

    I was going to say I'd not done that for 20 years but I guess with the lack of sleep I've not really had the opportunity for it.
    • bushbaby1103
    • By bushbaby1103 19th Apr 17, 12:29 AM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 12:29 AM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 12:29 AM
    My gp warned me off zopiclone, I was annoyed as they are the only tablets that guarantee me a nights sleep, but then I did some research and I prefer the crippling insomnia to the long term effects of zopiclone
    I live in hope that certain substances will one day be made legally available for medicinal use. Until then I will remain in pain and sleepless.
    I'm glad I treated myself to Amazon prime video and Netflix otherwise I'd go crazy due to trying and failing to fall asleep before 5am.
    NOT Today, Satan.
    • Murphybear
    • By Murphybear 19th Apr 17, 4:35 AM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 4:35 AM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 4:35 AM
    I sympathise with you all. I find I can get to sleep quickly then wake up after anything from 2 hours + then not be able to sleep again or not be able to sleep at all. I sometimes take strong prescription painkillers for arthritis which also help me sleep then I am in zombie mode for ages.

    I also find Netflix helps, I watch on my iPad while OH snores away in separate room. This has been particularly good since they released the whole of the Star Trek series for U.K. use.

    It's often the time I catch up with MSE as well
    • OldMotherTucker
    • By OldMotherTucker 19th Apr 17, 7:19 AM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 7:19 AM
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    • 19th Apr 17, 7:19 AM
    My gp warned me off zopiclone, I was annoyed as they are the only tablets that guarantee me a nights sleep, but then I did some research and I prefer the crippling insomnia to the long term effects of zopiclone
    I live in hope that certain substances will one day be made legally available for medicinal use. Until then I will remain in pain and sleepless.
    I'm glad I treated myself to Amazon prime video and Netflix otherwise I'd go crazy due to trying and failing to fall asleep before 5am.
    Originally posted by bushbaby1103
    It's why Drs are loathe to prescribe them but it never fails to amaze me that you can buy them so easily online. I was lucky that my old Gp would prescribe me 5 at a time a couple of times a year but, now I'm older and have less commitments, I don't find lack of sleep such a problem.
    I thought Buckfast was an Abbey in Devon . .
    • fussypensioner
    • By fussypensioner 19th Apr 17, 9:25 AM
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    I usually sleep very well, but there are times that I can't sleep so I take Piriton, anti-histamine. I take the full on version - not the non drowsy, a couple of hours before my normal bedtime. It usually gets me to sleep and then the next morning I still feel nicely relaxed. Its not harmful like the anti-depressants. Perhaps it might work for others.
    Holding back the years...
    • onomatopoeia99
    • By onomatopoeia99 19th Apr 17, 12:17 PM
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    When I had three really bad nights in a row, I went to my GP, said "I need to sleep" as my opening statement, explained it was stress that was stopping me from sleeping and she perscribed me zopiclone, together with giving me a big list of warnings about it, how it should only be used for a couple of days and so on. Prior to that I had never asked for help, though I often have bad nights.

    Took them two nights in a row and another the following week as I was still struggling and they did let me get six hours sleep and establish a normal-ish sleep pattern again. I had to do something as I was positively dangerous driving to work in the morning on so little sleep and the car is the only viable way to do my commute. Not that I could drive the morning after taking a sleeping tablet either, but I could at least plan for that by bringing the computer home with me.
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    • Tipsntreats
    • By Tipsntreats 19th Apr 17, 12:44 PM
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    Oh Jojo, what a cycle, and everything else must seem like an annoyance from hell.
    Taking sleeping pills, which can become addictive, doesn't really solve the problem at root, it only masks it.
    Are you constantly worrying about something? I think I recall that this October, is a very special day for you. Is this something that is stressing you, about the planning, that is adding to other daily problems?
    Try and go to bed as late as you can, and set the alarm clock early for the same time each day. Trying to establish a routine may help. As may some physical exercise.
    I have never had any sleep problems, but so MANY people do.
    I will try and find some sleep research for you to read.
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    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 19th Apr 17, 3:20 PM
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    Ended up at 51.5 hours awake in the end. Then woke up under 4 hours later. I'm crediting the cat with those hours, as he snuck in for a change and curled up by my head, purring loudly.

    I know I'm risking sounding awkward, but I genuinely do try for what they call 'good sleep hygiene' and a routine - the room is dark, cool and has fresh air, the backlight on my phone is on minimum (for the alarm and at present, radio on earphones), I don't spend the day up there at the weekend, etc. I also tried exercising, but found I was even more wired for the next 8-10 hours.

    I don't believe I'm thinking about anything in particular or worrying about much - I find worrying is best prevented by deciding if there is something that can be done about a situation and, if not, well, it's out of my control.

    [sigh] Maybe it's just how I am.
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • avogadro
    • By avogadro 19th Apr 17, 7:37 PM
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    CBT helped me with my insomnia, but it will of course depend on what is causing it.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Insomnia-Sleep-Problems-Behavioral/dp/1845290704
    • Quizzical Squirrel
    • By Quizzical Squirrel 19th Apr 17, 10:59 PM
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    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 20th Apr 17, 12:27 AM
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    I've yawned twice this evening. Still not sleepy, though. :


    OH is muttering darkly about how he was sure I'd be asleep by now.

    Wouldn't worry about it, mate, give it ten minutes and you'll be oblivious. Hope you enjoyed your two hour nap this afternoon as well.
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
    • foxtrotoscar
    • By foxtrotoscar 20th Apr 17, 12:43 AM
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    CBT helped me with my insomnia, but it will of course depend on what is causing it.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Overcoming-Insomnia-Sleep-Problems-Behavioral/dp/1845290704
    Originally posted by avogadro


    CBT....really ? C0ck and ball torture would keep most guys awake I'd think!
    • elona
    • By elona 20th Apr 17, 1:08 AM
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    B**ts sell a pillow spray made by "This Works" and after spraying this on my pillow I did get a reasonable night's sleep.

    I also found that hypnosis tapes helped ( not the American ones as the accent annoyed the hell out of me!).

    Maybe not the best person to suggest sleep ideas as I don't nod off till after one and wake up around six!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • tensandunits
    • By tensandunits 20th Apr 17, 11:57 AM
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    Anyhow, my main moan was that I went back to the GP today. Very nice lady. However, after waiting an hour and a half past my appointment time to see her, all she could suggest was starting a course of antidepressants. Now, I'll concede that being ill, work, etc, is stressful, but stress =/= depression. And I learned from bitter experience when treated off licence with the things for pain several years ago that taking them when I'm not depressed and for something else they haven't been scientifically proven to have a positive effect upon patient outcomes, is a surefire way to get me going somewhat loopy. Batshit loopy, to be precise. So I very politely declined and explained and left without any concrete help, just a sympathetic smile from her. [Because prescribing a couple of days of something that has been proven clinically to actually work isn't apparently acceptable in modern medicine, as, according to NHS protocols, the only people who want something that works are going to sell it on the black market or become shambling addicts for years on end]
    Originally posted by Jojo the Tightfisted
    Your doctor will know what is best for you. They have your medical details and history. If she thinks you are showing signs of depression it is best to listen and take the recommended medication. It is hard when you have a very negative mindset and you're convinced that you are right and the rest of the world is wrong/stupid (which is what typically happens with this condition), but medical professionals, while not perfect, will be acting in your best interests.
    • amistupid
    • By amistupid 20th Apr 17, 1:42 PM
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    I'm an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac. I can't sleep at night wondering if there's a dog or not.
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    • avogadro
    • By avogadro 20th Apr 17, 1:43 PM
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    CBT....really ? C0ck and ball torture would keep most guys awake I'd think!
    Originally posted by foxtrotoscar
    It's many years since I did it, but the exercises involve looking at your (sleep) history since childhood, looking at the cause of the problem and changing your sleeping habits. It's a simple (but not easy) solution, which you have to be prepared to work at.
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