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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 17th Apr 17, 9:25 PM
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    Pipes or water and radiator
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    Pipes or water and radiator 17th Apr 17 at 9:25 PM
    The plumber has fitted pipes for water and rad in wetroom. I had expected these to be copper, but they seem to be white bendy plastic.

    The next step will be to lay screed., and I will have vinyl on top of this. Are the white plastic pipes OK, or should I ask for these to be changed to copper?
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    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 17th Apr 17, 9:30 PM
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    They'll be fine.
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 17th Apr 17, 9:32 PM
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    It's called Push Fit. A lot of people use it. It's cheaper and quicker to fit. You'll find it everywhere in new builds.

    It's not for me, but if you want copper, expect to pay for it. Some plumbers who use Push Fit may not be able to fit copper.
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    • andyhop
    • By andyhop 17th Apr 17, 9:38 PM
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    The lime in the screed will rot the copper in no time

    Plastic should be tube in tube so should a fault occur a new pipe can be drawn through without digging up your floor
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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 17th Apr 17, 9:38 PM
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    They'll be fine.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    How long can I expect these to last? I don't want to have to dig up the floor.

    Will Building Control inspect these?
    • andyhop
    • By andyhop 17th Apr 17, 9:41 PM
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    It's called Push Fit. A lot of people use it. It's cheaper and quicker to fit. You'll find it everywhere in new builds.

    It's not for me, but if you want copper, expect to pay for it. Some plumbers who use Push Fit may not be able to fit copper.
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    Hep20 is 3x the cost of soldered copper fittings , I don't believe it'll last 50yrs given the brake pipes of your car which have a lifespan of 10yrs is the same stuff the sealing ring is made off

    A plumber that can only fit push fit ain't a plumber !
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    • Alex1983
    • By Alex1983 17th Apr 17, 10:34 PM
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    I'm not a lover of plastic on heating systems, the dirt in the system tends to stick to the inside of the pipe and then breaks off in lumps and creates a tea leaf effect which has a habit of causing blockages and restrictions.

    If it's changed to copper and then has concrete over it, it will need to be wrapped or better put in a boxing to protect from corrosion.
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    My grammar was incorrect. I was saying that Push Fit is not for me. The labour is more intensive with copper and people are differently trained, therefore expect to pay more for copper. The inference that it is used on new builds is that it is cheaper.
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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 18th Apr 17, 8:55 AM
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    The lime in the screed will rot the copper in no time

    Plastic should be tube in tube so should a fault occur a new pipe can be drawn through without digging up your floor
    Originally posted by andyhop
    Are you saying there is already a tube within the tube I can see? Or that a new one could be pushed through in the event of a leak in the future?
    • Alex1983
    • By Alex1983 18th Apr 17, 9:42 AM
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    If this pipe is put in concrete and for some reason it leaks you will not be able to get it out without removing the concrete. Plastic put in concrete should be one continuous piece of pipe so is very unlikely to leak.

    If it worries you then get the 15mm plastic to be put inside a bigger plastic pipe so it can be pulled out without removing the concrete.
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    • By firefox1956 18th Apr 17, 11:15 AM
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    If this pipe is put in concrete and for some reason it leaks you will not be able to get it out without removing the concrete. Plastic put in concrete should be one continuous piece of pipe so is very unlikely to leak.

    If it worries you then get the 15mm plastic to be put inside a bigger plastic pipe so it can be pulled out without removing the concrete.
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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 18th Apr 17, 11:57 AM
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    It is lying on top of dry concrete. It will have sheets of insulation placed around it, then screed on top.

    When the screed is dry, it will then have vinyl on top of that.
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 19th Apr 17, 9:21 AM
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    There is one run of this pipe (to the radiator) that could be put in a sleeve.

    The other part, unfortunately, has a T-join, so can't.

    My other option would be to get an insurance-backed guarantee for this piece of work. How do I get one of these? The builder and plumber have never been asked for one of these before.
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    • By andyhop 19th Apr 17, 12:03 PM
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    There's always a way . It's just your installers or you haven't twigged it yet

    This should have been addressed before a tool was even lifted
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    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 19th Apr 17, 12:57 PM
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    There's always a way . It's just your installers or you haven't twigged it yet

    This should have been addressed before a tool was even lifted
    Originally posted by andyhop
    Perhaps you would enlighten us, then.
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