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    • tired dad
    • By tired dad 17th Apr 17, 9:15 PM
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    permitted development in a conservation area
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    permitted development in a conservation area 17th Apr 17 at 9:15 PM
    Trying to get an idea of what is allowed/not allowed.

    Contemplating a single story extension at the back that will not go beyond the rear most or side of the house.

    Looking on the web, all I can see is that rules are different in a CA and will have to discuss with the council.

    Any advice on this? As far as I can tell the council does not engage in any advice without a fee.
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    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 17th Apr 17, 9:31 PM
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    A simple " do I need planning permission or is it permitted development " does not cost
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    • By Davesnave 18th Apr 17, 6:31 AM
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    Any meeting is likely to cost, but that ought to be money well-spent, if pointers are given to what would appear most acceptable/not acceptable before you get down to any design specifics.

    I don't think anyone is going to commit themselves via a phone call.
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    • mysterymurdoch
    • By mysterymurdoch 18th Apr 17, 6:46 AM
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    It's unlikely there is any permitted development in a CA. I'm in a town preservation area and no PD applies.
    • dj1471
    • By dj1471 18th Apr 17, 9:20 AM
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    • 18th Apr 17, 9:20 AM
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    It's unlikely there is any permitted development in a CA. I'm in a town preservation area and no PD applies.
    Originally posted by mysterymurdoch
    This is the answer. There are no permitted development rights within conservation areas.
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    • By FreeBear 18th Apr 17, 10:29 AM
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    But that is not to say that planning permission would be refused - Have a chat with the local planning dept. and they might tell you what can do in line with local rules.
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    • datostar
    • By datostar 18th Apr 17, 11:48 AM
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    This is the answer. There are no permitted development rights within conservation areas.
    Originally posted by dj1471
    So far as I am aware, there are, unless an Article 4 Direction exists:-

    Article 4 Directions can be invoked by the planning authority to further prohibit the type of small alterations that would be usually allowed under Permitted Development rights even in a Conservation Area. These types of legislation specifically prohibit certain types of development and are specific to certain streets, parts of streets and even specific houses.

    You can apply for a 'Certificate of Lawfulness' for things like single-storey rear extensions which would normally be permitted development to be on the safe side. Best to speak to your Planning Dept.
    Last edited by datostar; 18-04-2017 at 11:53 AM. Reason: Additional information.
    • frankie
    • By frankie 18th Apr 17, 5:58 PM
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    I'm in AONB and want to put up a conservatory.

    Phoned local planning and they arranged a phone slot with a planning officer (free of charge), gave her all the relevent info, and was told we could use permitted development rights and there would be no problem but advised that we gain a Certificate of Lawfulness.
    Last edited by frankie; 18-04-2017 at 5:58 PM. Reason: sp
    • teneighty
    • By teneighty 18th Apr 17, 6:09 PM
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    Trying to get an idea of what is allowed/not allowed.

    Contemplating a single story extension at the back that will not go beyond the rear most or side of the house.

    Looking on the web, all I can see is that rules are different in a CA and will have to discuss with the council.

    Any advice on this? As far as I can tell the council does not engage in any advice without a fee.
    Originally posted by tired dad
    A rear extension may be permitted development in a conservation area but I'm confused by passage highlighted in red.How can a rear extension not go beyond "rear most" part of house? Is it a side return in which case it is classed as a side extension and will not be permitted development.
    • MX5huggy
    • By MX5huggy 18th Apr 17, 10:54 PM
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    A rear extension may be permitted development in a conservation area but I'm confused by passage highlighted in red.How can a rear extension not go beyond "rear most" part of house? Is it a side return in which case it is classed as a side extension and will not be permitted development.
    Originally posted by teneighty
    If it's an L shaped house and the extension fills in the L then it would not extend past the back or the side.
    • teneighty
    • By teneighty 19th Apr 17, 8:25 AM
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    If it's an L shaped house and the extension fills in the L then it would not extend past the back or the side.
    Originally posted by MX5huggy
    Which makes it a side extension and therefore not PD.
    • tired dad
    • By tired dad 21st Apr 17, 1:01 AM
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    Which makes it a side extension and therefore not PD.
    Originally posted by teneighty
    in this case the house is an inverted T shape and we will be filing one of the rear corners. It therefore does not extend beyond either the side or rear
    • teneighty
    • By teneighty 21st Apr 17, 10:30 AM
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    in this case the house is an inverted T shape and we will be filing one of the rear corners. It therefore does not extend beyond either the side or rear
    Originally posted by tired dad
    It is one of the many anomalies in the permitted development rules.

    A side extension is any extension beyond any "side elevation", in your case the side of the leg of the inverted T is a side elevation. It does not have to extend beyond the side of the main house.This often becomes a problem with these infill extensions in terms of normal permitted development when the width of the infill exceeds half the width of the house. In your case it is purely because it is in a conservation area.

    It seems crazy and any normal person would say it is a rear extension but the stupid planning rules say otherwise. Having said that it is a fairly obscure rule and sometimes even the planners themselves get it wrong. If you go for pre-application advice and clearly state it is a rear extension you might get lucky and they confirm it is permitted development but technically it is not due to the conservation area status.
    Last edited by teneighty; 21-04-2017 at 10:32 AM.
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