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    • thor
    • By thor 16th Apr 17, 6:11 PM
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    Consequences of switching: Smart meters
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    Consequences of switching: Smart meters 16th Apr 17 at 6:11 PM
    I had a smart meter installed with npower last year but will most likely be switching suppliers soon. I am aware that may mean(in all cases?) that the meter becomes dumb but what functions will I lose? From what I have read, remote readings will end and the remote display will stop working. Is that about it? Also should I switch back to npower later on will the smart meter become fully functional again?
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    • molerat
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    The in house display may still show kWh / unit use but not £, 50/50 chance of it continuing working. The meter will remain dumb if you return to the original supplier.
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    I had a smart meter installed with npower last year but will most likely be switching suppliers soon. I am aware that may mean(in all cases?) that the meter becomes dumb but what functions will I lose? From what I have read, remote readings will end and the remote display will stop working. Is that about it? Also should I switch back to npower later on will the smart meter become fully functional again?
    Originally posted by thor




    Hi Thor,

    Please contact us using the details on our profile page with your account number so we can help with your smart meter query.

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    • By WillieEckerslike 18th Apr 17, 11:48 AM
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    Last year I had a smart meter fitted by British Gas. I have now switched to E.ON and find they have no access to my smart meter so I have to go back to reading the meters and emailing them the readings. E.ON tell me they are working on the compatibility situation.
    But honestly, this is not smart, it's pathetic!
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    • By Hengus 18th Apr 17, 11:54 AM
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    Last year I had a smart meter fitted by British Gas. I have now switched to E.ON and find they have no access to my smart meter so I have to go back to reading the meters and emailing them the readings. E.ON tell me they are working on the compatibility situation.
    But honestly, this is not smart, it's pathetic!
    Originally posted by WillieEckerslike
    All foundation meters are largely supplier dependent: blame the Govt, not the suppliers. There is an ongoing consultation to orphan these meters on to the new Data Communications Company infrastructure by 2020.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 18th Apr 17, 2:25 PM
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    Last year I had a smart meter fitted by British Gas. I have now switched to E.ON and find they have no access to my smart meter so I have to go back to reading the meters and emailing them the readings. E.ON tell me they are working on the compatibility situation.
    But honestly, this is not smart, it's pathetic!
    Originally posted by WillieEckerslike
    The 'smart' bit is how the meters can be used to disconnect your supply without the need for anyone to come to your home... 'smart' for the companies, not for the consumer
    • jackandcoke
    • By jackandcoke 18th Apr 17, 3:17 PM
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    The 'smart' bit is how the meters can be used to disconnect your supply without the need for anyone to come to your home... 'smart' for the companies, not for the consumer
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    It'd odd that you have only focused on that aspect of smart meters.
    Honest? Probably......sort of.
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    • By matelodave 18th Apr 17, 5:59 PM
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    The 'smart' bit is how the meters can be used to disconnect your supply without the need for anyone to come to your home... 'smart' for the companies, not for the consumer
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    You obviously dont think much of them then. IMO they are a great idea that's been totally b@@@d up by the government. Had they been introduced properly in a co-ordinated way, rather than letting each supplier have a play then we'd be a lot further on.

    They would help people manage their bills better, hopefully reduce the amount of energy that's beeing stolen and be transferable between companies.

    The idea that they can be shut off remotely isn't really all that different from a meter shutting down if you dont put any money into it it and why should the rest of us keep subsidising those that won't pay their bills - I can't drive my car if I don't pay to put fuel in, likewise I can't smoke or drink unless I pay so why should gas or leccy be any different
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    It'd odd that you have only focused on that aspect of smart meters.
    Originally posted by jackandcoke
    Odd in what sense?

    Consumers are being made to pay for Smart meters sold on the basis it will 'save' them money and give them accurate bills. How loudly are the utility companies telling us that they can also permit remote disconnection?

    Is it 'odd' to add that point to this conversation? Are we not permitted to mention the 'd' word?
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 18th Apr 17, 6:14 PM
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    The idea that they can be shut off remotely isn't really all that different from a meter shutting down if you dont put any money into it it and why should the rest of us keep subsidising those that won't pay their bills - I can't drive my car if I don't pay to put fuel in, likewise I can't smoke or drink unless I pay so why should gas or leccy be any different
    Originally posted by matelodave
    For PPM customers that is true, except that if you don't top up your meter and run out then you can only blame yourself.

    Credit meter customers will be used to the idea that if you forget to make a payment then there are several steps where your forgetfulness can be dealt with before someone knocks on the door to pull the fuse.

    With a smart meter it may be the case that the first you know there is an issue is when you get home and the lights don't come on.

    This forum is also full of cases where the utility companies have managed to make a complete hash of simple things - how confident are you that their systems won't disconnect people in error?

    And any technology with a communication link somewhere has the potential for someone to go in and do something unpleasant - how robust is the security to prevent someone hacking the system and shutting off the power to someone's home?

    If it isn't being widely advertised that remote disconnection is an available facility then how can there be a reasoned discussion about the security implications?

    Personally I think Smart meters have great potential for encouraging people to use power at off-peak times, reducing peak demand and reducing the obscene amount currently being spent on providing reserve capacity.

    What bugs me is the rush to technology which hasn't been fully developed, with 'hidden' features, which hasn't yet been put to use actually delivering the real potential benefits for consumers. Who are the winners so far?
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