Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@. Skimlinks & other affiliated links are turned on

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • oldtractor
    • By oldtractor 16th Apr 17, 11:22 AM
    • 2,195Posts
    • 14,981Thanks
    oldtractor
    Next door blocking gutter
    • #1
    • 16th Apr 17, 11:22 AM
    Next door blocking gutter 16th Apr 17 at 11:22 AM
    So we live next door to a guy who, ever since we moved into this house has tried to "rule the roost". Our place was used as a holiday cottage and then empty for a while before we bought it. he used to look after it which included letting his relatives stay for free we later found out. Anyway once we moved in he treid telling us what we could and couldnt do even what we could and couldnt plant in the garden. All this was politely ignored. We've got along by mutual ignoring except for good morning and isnt the weather nice sort of thing.
    More recently ie this last 2 years we've managed to aquire exptra land and this seems to have irked him and hes started to do silly thigs. he had a garden wall built at thr front of his property which he had extended onto our land. we had him take this down and keep it on his own land. now we descover that hes blocked the gutter. the gutter along the front of our house goes along the front of his where there is a downspout which goes into a grid next to his front door thenit goes further along and to a downspout at the end of the row ( its a terraced row of 3 cottages) he lives in the middle. so on the dividing line between us and him hes had his freinds the builders place an end stop and fix it in place with mastic to stop any water from our gutter getting away and down the down spout. Ironically its his garden its been dripping and running into not ours all winter. We've only just discovered this when we went up a ladder to fix a climbing plant to the front of our property and saw the thing. our gutter, meanwhile is perminemtly filled with water.
    Is he allowed to do this? and can we remove the blockage?
    Trying for 10 a day
Page 1
    • molerat
    • By molerat 16th Apr 17, 11:56 AM
    • 16,728 Posts
    • 10,965 Thanks
    molerat
    • #2
    • 16th Apr 17, 11:56 AM
    • #2
    • 16th Apr 17, 11:56 AM
    No he can't do it and you cannot remove the blockage on his property. Unless he is going to remove it if asked nicely this is going to get messy and likely involve solicitors at some cost and declaring of neighbour disputes. Is it possible for you to fit your own downpipe ?
    www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html
    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 16th Apr 17, 12:19 PM
    • 310 Posts
    • 232 Thanks
    Jackmydad
    • #3
    • 16th Apr 17, 12:19 PM
    • #3
    • 16th Apr 17, 12:19 PM
    He's obviously one of those people who thinks he's always in the right. As molerat says, speak nicely to him about it. (Although it makes me grit my teeth, sometimes a bit of "niceness" works.) If he won't do anything about it, if possible I'd fit my own downpipe.
    • missile
    • By missile 16th Apr 17, 1:54 PM
    • 8,768 Posts
    • 4,232 Thanks
    missile
    • #4
    • 16th Apr 17, 1:54 PM
    • #4
    • 16th Apr 17, 1:54 PM
    I would fit my own downpipe. You may need to relocate the gutter if you change the direction of drainage.
    "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
    Ride hard or stay home
    • southcoastrgi
    • By southcoastrgi 16th Apr 17, 8:57 PM
    • 5,187 Posts
    • 3,012 Thanks
    southcoastrgi
    • #5
    • 16th Apr 17, 8:57 PM
    • #5
    • 16th Apr 17, 8:57 PM
    I'd either remove it or drill a hole in it
    I'm only here while I wait for Corrie to start.

    You get no BS from me & if I think you are wrong I WILL tell you.
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 17th Apr 17, 9:07 AM
    • 2,664 Posts
    • 1,490 Thanks
    Annie1960
    • #6
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:07 AM
    • #6
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:07 AM
    You may need to install a soakaway if you fit your own gutter. Building Control are likely to want to inspect this unless there is an existing one you can link a new downpipe to.
    • missile
    • By missile 17th Apr 17, 9:24 AM
    • 8,768 Posts
    • 4,232 Thanks
    missile
    • #7
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:24 AM
    • #7
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:24 AM
    If gutter(s) is permanently filled with water and dripping into his garden, how does this inconvenience you?
    Presumably you have gutter front and back.
    Do both run past you neighbour?
    Have both been blocked?
    Last edited by missile; 17-04-2017 at 9:28 AM.
    "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
    Ride hard or stay home
    • oldtractor
    • By oldtractor 17th Apr 17, 9:36 AM
    • 2,195 Posts
    • 14,981 Thanks
    oldtractor
    • #8
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:36 AM
    • #8
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:36 AM
    no just the front. it inconveniences us in so far as it is always full will get green and smelly in summer and the sheer constant weight might bring it crashing down. if we fit our own downspout than it will run into the road and/or over their front garden so its not an option. As far as I am aware the downspout on the middle property has been taking water from our roof for a couple of hundred years at least.
    Trying for 10 a day
    • Keep pedalling
    • By Keep pedalling 17th Apr 17, 9:54 AM
    • 3,426 Posts
    • 3,692 Thanks
    Keep pedalling
    • #9
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:54 AM
    • #9
    • 17th Apr 17, 9:54 AM
    If gutter(s) is permanently filled with water and dripping into his garden, how does this inconvenience you?
    Presumably you have gutter front and back.
    Do both run past you neighbour?
    Have both been blocked?
    Originally posted by missile
    It could certainly lead to a damp problem for the OP, and having the gutter permenanty filled with water could lead to it eventually collapsing.

    It may be possible that your idiot neighbour may be in breach of building regs himself. Have a word with with your local building control people to see if they can do anything.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 17th Apr 17, 9:55 AM
    • 29,437 Posts
    • 17,592 Thanks
    getmore4less
    When they are out get up there and drill a hole in the lower part of the end cap or prize it off a bit so it looks like it has done that itself.

    When it rains you want it to over flow a bit so they don't realize it is still draining slowly, but when it stops raining it will empty fairly quickly.
    • jack_pott
    • By jack_pott 17th Apr 17, 10:05 AM
    • 3,894 Posts
    • 4,953 Thanks
    jack_pott
    Try ringing building control to ask if you need planning permission for a new downpipe/soakaway, and then see if they take the bait and start asking why you need to do it.
    • oldtractor
    • By oldtractor 17th Apr 17, 1:06 PM
    • 2,195 Posts
    • 14,981 Thanks
    oldtractor
    It could certainly lead to a damp problem for the OP, and having the gutter permenanty filled with water could lead to it eventually collapsing.

    It may be possible that your idiot neighbour may be in breach of building regs himself. Have a word with with your local building control people to see if they can do anything.
    Originally posted by Keep pedalling
    Thank you. will do this tomorrow.
    Trying for 10 a day
    • oldtractor
    • By oldtractor 17th Apr 17, 1:07 PM
    • 2,195 Posts
    • 14,981 Thanks
    oldtractor
    Try ringing building control to ask if you need planning permission for a new downpipe/soakaway, and then see if they take the bait and start asking why you need to do it.
    Originally posted by jack_pott
    Thank you. I'm contacting the council tomorrow will ask.
    Trying for 10 a day
    • oldtractor
    • By oldtractor 18th Apr 17, 3:52 PM
    • 2,195 Posts
    • 14,981 Thanks
    oldtractor
    I've rung the council. There building surveyor said hes no right to do what he has done as he is interfering with my Right to Drainage. If he wants to keep the gutter blocked then he has to provide alternative provision for the water from our gutter to get away ie provide another downspout for us at his cost.
    Trying for 10 a day
    • ComicGeek
    • By ComicGeek 18th Apr 17, 7:26 PM
    • 164 Posts
    • 116 Thanks
    ComicGeek
    I've rung the council. There building surveyor said hes no right to do what he has done as he is interfering with my Right to Drainage. If he wants to keep the gutter blocked then he has to provide alternative provision for the water from our gutter to get away ie provide another downspout for us at his cost.
    Originally posted by oldtractor
    But more importantly, who is going to enforce that? I assume that the Council won't.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 18th Apr 17, 9:18 PM
    • 27,959 Posts
    • 71,101 Thanks
    Mojisola
    But more importantly, who is going to enforce that? I assume that the Council won't.
    Originally posted by ComicGeek
    You have to get solicitors involved.

    As the neighbour has very deliberately blocked the gutter, it may be cheaper to make a new down-spout rather than spend money with solicitors trying to force him to comply with the law.
    • Tigsteroonie
    • By Tigsteroonie 18th Apr 17, 9:27 PM
    • 22,460 Posts
    • 55,967 Thanks
    Tigsteroonie
    Fit a down-spout into a rain barrel / water butt? Then you can use it for the garden (and might not need to empty it very often)?
    Going to become Mrs Marleyboy for real

    MSE: many of the benefits of a helpful family, without disadvantages like having to compete for the tv remote

    Proud Parents to an Au-some son
    • Annie1960
    • By Annie1960 18th Apr 17, 9:50 PM
    • 2,664 Posts
    • 1,490 Thanks
    Annie1960
    You have to get solicitors involved.

    As the neighbour has very deliberately blocked the gutter, it may be cheaper to make a new down-spout rather than spend money with solicitors trying to force him to comply with the law.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    Building control may enforce this - have you asked?

    If not, check your home and car insurance to see if you have legal cover on these.
    • jbainbridge
    • By jbainbridge 19th Apr 17, 2:22 PM
    • 1,702 Posts
    • 1,095 Thanks
    jbainbridge
    I'd just remove the blockage and put it in his bin.

    Really ... how likely is it that he will check it? He probably feels better thinking he got one over on you. If he does question it's removal tell him about your conversation with the council.
    • Kernel Sanders
    • By Kernel Sanders 19th Apr 17, 3:16 PM
    • 3,058 Posts
    • 1,271 Thanks
    Kernel Sanders
    You have to get solicitors involved.
    Originally posted by Mojisola
    No they don't! Neighbour has made alterations to their gutter which impedes a long-standing drainage arrangement. It's up to BC (or possibly the private housing officer) to issue enforcement notices, and I have had such a notice myself! BC should be going about this right now, and shouldn't need a further formal complaint.
    #JeSuisCharlie
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

328Posts Today

3,225Users online

Martin's Twitter