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    • Jo4
    • By Jo4 9th Apr 17, 6:29 PM
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    Recommendations for replacement of HP SR2125UK
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    • 9th Apr 17, 6:29 PM
    Recommendations for replacement of HP SR2125UK 9th Apr 17 at 6:29 PM
    Can anyone recommend a suitable desktop to replace a HP SR2125UK? The budget is £400 maximum.

    The current HP SR2125UK is slow and states that there is a program running in the background although I do no know what it is or how to find out. I am sure there is unnecessary programs on it which could be removed if I knew how.

    The desktop is for a 70th birthday present and will be used for word processing, surfing the web and storing photos.

    How do you copy all the information / documents which are on the current computer to the new one?

    Finally, how do you then delete the information on the current desktop and where can you dispose of it?
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    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 17th Apr 17, 7:15 PM
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    £205 at amazon:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Slimline-411-a000na-Desktop-Processor/dp/B01KM4ZAFI

    - and that looks ideal for the uses mentioned: he does not need a gaming machine. You are getting all kinds of recommendations, which are not heeding what is actually needed: a basic PC.
    Originally posted by Robisere
    ??

    Who is not taking heed? Methinks it is you.

    £349 included a 24" monitor and a different model of PC with 8GB of RAM and 2TB HDD. In addition, the OP asked us about that particular bundle and set the budget, It wasn't one we suggested to her.... the CPU is crud.
    I am simply suggesting better machines for within the same budget.

    Also, perhaps you didn't notice that I posted Lenovo IdeaCentre 300S Celeron N3150 8GB 2TB Windows 10 Desktop Tower at £179.99

    Don't just rush in like a bull in a china shop thinking that you are putting the world to rights. We are all doing our best to help the OP.
    • were
    • By were 17th Apr 17, 7:43 PM
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    Realistic?? Is this just a joke that fell flat?

    You remonstrate with us for suggesting that there is also a possibility of upgrading the current machine, (whether for the seventy year old or simply to pass it on to someone else who it suits),


    but then you come up with the absolutely ludicrous suggestion of purchasing a five year old laptop with a screen a good twenty five centimetres in diameter less than the OP's initial suggestion.
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    Ha ha, no I did not suggest upgrading anything, but I understand now what you mean about glasses, small print and age, also not being hard to follow the thread in a post, as one seems get confused as one get older?

    I'm sure the seventy year old would relish the idea of peering at a relatively small low resolution screen.....

    Seriously, one of the strangest suggestions I have seen here in a while....and there have been a few.
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    They have an existing screen to use - if they wish, and £100 left over to upgrade to a new screen. Strange suggestion?... you need to get out more!

    There are more balls on a eunuch than that N3150 cpu you are inferring to the user.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 17th Apr 17, 7:50 PM
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    Ha ha, no I did not suggest upgrading anything, but I understand now what you mean about glasses, small print and age, also not being hard to follow the thread in a post, as one seems get confused as one get older?



    They have an existing screen to use - if they wish, and £100 left over to upgrade to a new screen. Strange suggestion?... you need to get out more!

    There are more balls on a eunuch than that N3150 cpu you are inferring to the user.
    Originally posted by were
    Perhaps you also missed that I did not recommend the N3150, but suggested that at least it is better than the N3050 they originally looked at.
    It is they who chose a 24" monitor, so I have tailored all of my replies to their basic criteria, but with an emphasis on getting the best for their budget.
    The reason for the Zoostorm recommendation is because it already has a solid state drive fitted. Otherwise I would recommend something cheaper if it already had an SSD fitted.

    But at least the Lenovo has a bit more to offer than the HP. Quad Core processor and Bluetooth.

    Remember that this is a present. So old second equipment won't do.
    • were
    • By were 18th Apr 17, 12:19 AM
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    NiftyDigits, you are very good with bios upgrades etc, do you perhaps have something newer than this bios within your grasp from your secret software stash, as I cant get anything newer from the Samsung site?

    Motherboard Model: Samsung NP350E7C-S02UK
    BIOS Vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
    BIOS Version: P09ABE
    BIOS Release Date: 07/04/2013

    Thanks
    Last edited by were; 18-04-2017 at 12:27 AM.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 18th Apr 17, 12:26 AM
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    NiftyDigits, you are very good with bios upgrades etc, do you perhaps have something newer than this bios within your grasp, as I can get anything newer of the Samsung site?

    Motherboard Model: Samsung NP350E7C-S02UK
    BIOS Vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
    BIOS Version: P09ABE
    BIOS Release Date: 07/04/2013

    Thanks
    Originally posted by were
    Why do you need a BIOS update?
    • were
    • By were 18th Apr 17, 12:36 AM
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    were
    it came with win 7, after putting on 10 the eventvwr had some unusual entries to do with overheating or bios - according to google, chip temps look to be in their 50's. besides, half the settings are not there like turning off wifi and bluetooth

    Event id 37 "The speed of processor 7 in group 0 is being limited by system firmware. The processor has been in this reduced performance state for 6695 seconds since the last report."
    Last edited by were; 18-04-2017 at 12:50 AM.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 18th Apr 17, 2:17 AM
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    it came with win 7, after putting on 10 the eventvwr had some unusual entries to do with overheating or bios - according to google, chip temps look to be in their 50's. besides, half the settings are not there like turning off wifi and bluetooth

    Event id 37 "The speed of processor 7 in group 0 is being limited by system firmware. The processor has been in this reduced performance state for 6695 seconds since the last report."
    Originally posted by were
    Have you upped your minimum processor state in Power Options?

    • were
    • By were 18th Apr 17, 12:46 PM
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    Thank you. No I have not tried that, and because it is a minimum setting would have thought it would have auto adjusted? The maximum though is already on 100. I'll set minimum to 100% too and see how it goes.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 18th Apr 17, 1:45 PM
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    Thank you. No I have not tried that, and because it is a minimum setting would have thought it would have auto adjusted? The maximum though is already on 100. I'll set minimum to 100% too and see how it goes.
    Originally posted by were
    50% would be a good start, otherwise it may impact on battery life
    • Jo4
    • By Jo4 20th Apr 17, 2:08 AM
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    As an aside, the ten year old(released December 2006) Compaq Presario SR2125UK still has some upgrade-ability and therefore some life in it, for not too much of a spend.

    Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6700 for less than £10 via eBay.



    2 GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-5300 DESKTOP RAM £3.



    So £16 for a CPU and 4 GB RAM upgrade that can run any Windows OS smoothly and easily. You could even put an SSD in there for optimal performance.


    Even if you are afraid to attempt a CPU upgrade(no reason to be), the RAM upgrade for £3 to £6(if still on 1GB) and a clean install of Windows would improve things considerably. Further to that, swapping the mechanical drive with a solid state drive costing £45 would transform the performance.
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    The RAM was upgraded from 1GB to 2GB but the computer is really slow. The fan is constantly on for some reason. Don't know if it has been cleaned since the extra RAM was put in which was in the last 2 years - which obviously would not be helping.
    • Jo4
    • By Jo4 20th Apr 17, 3:40 AM
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    Recap of requirements
    Here is a brief recap of what is needed:-

    -This is a 70th birthday present therefore a brand new computer in a box is required.

    -A good size of a screen - the persons sight is deteriorating.

    -The person likes to play music on the computer and at the same time they want a word processing document open so they can have the words of the song open so they can sing along - a little like karaoke.

    -They will want to be able to plug in their external floppy disk drive because some of their music toys still uses floppy disk drives.

    -As you can tell from the mention of floppy disk drives the person does not like change - they do not like anything other than a desktop - no laptops, tablets, etc.

    -The budget is a maximum of £400 but preferably £350.

    -70th birthday is next week so it needs to be ordered now to have it here in time.

    -The computer needs to be able to work straight out of the box without anything being added to the inside of it.

    -I haven't much of a clue about computers, obviously, I know how to switch one on and not much else but it will be me who is responsible for getting the new computer up and running and when anything goes wrong with it I will be the one called upon so I will be back here torturing everyone again - although unintentional.

    -The computer has to be delivered to Northern Ireland or be able to be collected in Northern Ireland, which may take longer to receive it.

    I hope it is clear what I need without annoying or insulting anyone. I really need to get it ordered.
    • bsod
    • By bsod 20th Apr 17, 4:49 AM
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    distilled further

    problem: pc required asap

    solution: take dad to currys, ask them what they've got for £350, buy one
    Last edited by bsod; 20-04-2017 at 5:42 AM.
    Don't you dare criticise what you cannot understand
    • were
    • By were 20th Apr 17, 10:57 AM
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    They will want to be able to plug in their external floppy disk drive because some of their music toys still uses floppy disk drives.

    -As you can tell from the mention of floppy disk drives the person does not like change - they do not like anything other than a desktop - no laptops, tablets, etc.
    Originally posted by Jo4
    'Music Toys'.... What are they? Will they even work on windows 10? Can they be put on usb, but some software has drive letters and paths hard coded? If he save music, will it save to usb?
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 20th Apr 17, 11:50 AM
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    The RAM was upgraded from 1GB to 2GB but the computer is really slow. The fan is constantly on for some reason. Don't know if it has been cleaned since the extra RAM was put in which was in the last 2 years - which obviously would not be helping.
    Originally posted by Jo4
    Yes...cos the CPU and mechanical hard drive combo isn't the best. A clean install of the OS would help, but the combination of CPU upgrade, move to 4GB and clean install will really make a difference. The addition of a solid state drive the icing on the cake.

    Unlikely you'll get it all done within a week because of delivery times.

    I've given my recommendation for a new machine. It already has an SSD fitted, so no need to fiddle around.

    The HP that you mentioned is just poor value and a relatively poor performer.


    They save money on a key component, the Central Processing Unit, so as to offer 'headline grabbing' and largely unnecessary components to assist sales people to push the unit. For sure the salespeople won't be mentioning the CPU in-store.
    That is the engine of the whole thing. It might be ok if it had an SSD fitted, but it does not.
    Leave it on the shelf. If it becomes too slow, you won't have any headroom to do anything about it, other than fitting an SSD.
    It's cheaper to offer a larger capacity mechanical hard drive, than to supply a decent CPU.

    The Lenovo will be as new, but might or might not be in it's original box.

    The Zoostorm has a powerful engine and a fast storage drive.

    The choice is yours.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 20th Apr 17, 2:58 PM
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    What "local support" would that be, DavidP24? The ability to walk into a PC World and get charged £50 + VAT for a recovery drive you should make for yourself.

    Allow me remind you that this website is MoneySavingExpert.com not Can'tBeBothered.com.

    The Zoostorm/ACER combo represents the best value/convenience/performance.

    The HP machine is just nonsense. A Netbook CPU in a PC. Of course it will work, but why plough £350 into such an underpowered combo in the first place?
    Let's not forget that the HP monitor has a TN screen, as opposed to IPS.
    http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=W3R46AT&opt=ABU&sel=MTO £92.40
    Meaning that she is paying £257 for that base unit. Really?
    Plus the PC has a relatively slow 5400RPM mechanical hard drive.
    Pushing them into paying extra for 2,000 Gigabytes of local storage space for "music and videos"(??). When for ten years they have been making do with 160 Gigabytes.....

    Is this just about saving face?

    Allow me to remind you of your earlier statement;

    I do prefer the N3700 at that price level
    So at this price point , you would prefer the N3700 with a CPU benchmark of 1867, but you are recommending a PC to the OP with a CPU benchmark of 889.

    There are so many better options, yet despite your 'offer' to post possible options for the OP, you have done nothing of the sort.

    I wouldn't go for an HP in the first place.
    But even if one did, there are better options than that awfully underpowered machine.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Slimline-410-135na-Desktop-Graphics/dp/B01MRIJ0JE/ref=sr_1_3



    for example. Still within budget.
    • Jo4
    • By Jo4 21st Apr 17, 2:27 AM
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    'Music Toys'.... What are they? Will they even work on windows 10? Can they be put on usb, but some software has drive letters and paths hard coded? If he save music, will it save to usb?
    Originally posted by were
    He refers to one of them as a head and he has a few of them.

    I don't know if they will work on Windows 10.

    I don't know if they can be put on usb.

    He saves music from computer to floppy and inserts floppy into head.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 21st Apr 17, 2:44 AM
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    He refers to one of them as a head and he has a few of them.

    I don't know if they will work on Windows 10.

    I don't know if they can be put on usb.

    He saves music from computer to floppy and inserts floppy into head.
    Originally posted by Jo4
    Which operating system is he utilising now? XP, Vista or Windows 7?
    • Jo4
    • By Jo4 21st Apr 17, 2:48 AM
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    Acer K242HYL 23.8" IPS LED Monitor £89.98

    Argos has the Lenovo equivalent here; http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Celeron-8GB-2TB-1-6GHz-Windows-10-Desktop-Tower-Black-Argos-/361527040525 for £180.
    They are described as Manufacturer refurbished, but since they have already sold 555 of them, I guess they'll be in 'as new' condition.



    It's better than the HP in that the processor is a fair bit better, but I'm certainly not recommending it. But if it suits.

    The PC here(Zoostorm Delta Light Intel Core i3-6100 Desktop PC, 128GB SSD, 8GB, Win 10, DVD-RW) and the monitor above are just about within budget and offer a far superior specification,
    You can add a Mini USB Wifi Adapter for as little as £2.38 to add wireless capability or £6.99 for a Dual Band 802.11ac wireless adapter

    Zoostorm have a Delta Micro version for £10 less, if space is at a serious premium. But it has no DVD drive and probably limited expandability.

    Delta Micro



    Delta Light

    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    Delivery for the Zoostorm is showing as Tuesday 2nd May so it would arrive too late. Is there any other options? Is it possible to purchase a desktop in PC World or Currys - no issues then with delivery dates?
    • Jo4
    • By Jo4 21st Apr 17, 2:49 AM
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    Which operating system is he utilising now? XP, Vista or Windows 7?
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    He is using Vista.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 21st Apr 17, 10:46 AM
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    Delivery for the Zoostorm is showing as Tuesday 2nd May so it would arrive too late. Is there any other options? Is it possible to purchase a desktop in PC World or Currys - no issues then with delivery dates?
    Originally posted by Jo4

    Anything is possible, but you'll be on your own...or just with DavidP24.
    That is what cogitation does for you.

    You can go for the one on Amazon and either take an Amazon Prime free trial if offered or pay a little extra for one day delivery.
    PC: https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Slimline-410-135na-Desktop-Graphics/dp/B01MRIJ0JE/ref=sr_1_3
    Monitor: http://www.ebuyer.com/727518-acer-k242hyl-23-8-ips-led-monitor-um-qx2ee-001
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