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    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 5th Apr 17, 8:53 PM
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    Cycle helmet advice
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    • 5th Apr 17, 8:53 PM
    Cycle helmet advice 5th Apr 17 at 8:53 PM
    Looking at getting into cycling. It'll be mainly used for road/track (not racing track ) and possibly canal.

    Went into a local bike shop at the weekend & one of the things i looked at were helmets. The bottom row were £30 helmets & as you worked up i saw price tags of £70. The upper shelves were probably dearer than that.

    I don't want to pay over the odds but likewise i don't want something that isn't that good. Now i'm sure they all have to pass tests so the £30 helmet should be good enough but why would you buy a £70 helmet over a £30 helmet for example?

    Is it all down to just how light they are or whatever?

    Sorry, wish i could show you the ones i were looking at so you'd be able to give feedback based on specifics but anyone in the bike game will probably know what i'm on about anyway

    Thanks for any input.

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    • brat
    • By brat 5th Apr 17, 9:32 PM
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    Cheap helmets are as good as expensive helmets for keeping your head safe. Expensive helmets are more stylish, or lighter, or more aero, or a more comfortable fit, or keep your head cooler, or have more features.

    My two current helmets retailed at £140 each. Both bought for style, weiight and comfort reasons, with no further consideration for safety other than safety ibeing the reason why I wear a helmet in the first place.

    It's a bit like clothing really, would you choose to buy Primark or Ted Baker?
    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 5th Apr 17, 9:39 PM
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    It's a bit like clothing really, would you choose to buy Primark or Ted Baker?
    Originally posted by brat
    Primark in that case.
    A t-shirt is a t-shirt, it does the same job as the Ted Baker T-shirt. The only thing it doesn't do is have people saying oh look how much he spends on his clothes

    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 6th Apr 17, 12:35 AM
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    I agree with Brat, the safety standard all helmets are certified to is fairly basic so you're not getting a safer helmet by spending more money. If possible it's good to be able to try them before buying as the fit can vary and you want something comfortable.

    John
    • brat
    • By brat 6th Apr 17, 6:44 AM
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    Primark in that case.
    A t-shirt is a t-shirt, it does the same job as the Ted Baker T-shirt. The only thing it doesn't do is have people saying oh look how much he spends on his clothes
    Originally posted by JustAnotherSaver
    I agree, up to a point. I spend a fair bit on cycling, because I cycle a lot - 2,900 miles already this year. I ride fairly expensive bikes because they're so much nicer to ride. I wear decent cycling clothing because it fits well, is technical and lasts.
    So I like my helmet to complement the rest of the kit; to be comfortable, to have good quality componentry, and to keep my head cool.

    I also have two Ted Baker items of clothing, trousers and a jacket. I get many complements, especially on the jacket which is very stylish, yet traditional.

    I know this is a money saving website. I save money as hard as I can so that I can spend it more freely on things that I enjoy spending it on. With bikes and bike kit, I tend to find that if something feels good to ride in or on, you will use it more often.
    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 6th Apr 17, 11:15 AM
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    I take your point & agree with you.

    For this though it's a case of getting into cycling so if the more expensive helmets don't offer anything with more safety then I'm not really wanting to splash out on everything top level to begin with in case it ends up just a 5 minute phase. Hopefully not but it might.

    If it becomes a bit of a hobby then in time I may look at shelling out a bit more.

    • AndyBSG
    • By AndyBSG 6th Apr 17, 2:47 PM
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    For me the sweet spot is £50-£70.

    Below £40 I think you're looking at really basic cheap helmets which may pass the safety criteria but in terms of weight, comfort and build quality I just wouldn't bother with them.

    I wear a Specialized Propero 3 which I picked up in a sale for £55. It's got much better ventilation than the previous cheapo helmet I had, looks better and fits much better.

    I honestly didn't really see much difference between that and the Evade one they do which is a £100 more!

    Also, cycling gear does benefit from ludicrous savings at the end of each year. For example, Evans are selling the old Bell Gage helmet for £40 at the moment... It was over £150 when it released.

    I aim to pay around 50 quid for my helmets and always look at clearance stock to make sure I get much better quality helmets with huge discounts simply because I don't really care if i'm wearing the latest gear.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 6th Apr 17, 3:23 PM
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    I also have two Ted Baker items of clothing, trousers and a jacket. I get many complements, especially on the jacket which is very stylish, yet traditional.
    Originally posted by brat
    I never know what to say when people compliment my clothes!

    If someone says "That's a nice jacket", is the appropriate response, "Yes. I know. That's why I bought it."? Or simply, "I'll pass your feedback onto the retailer"...?
    • fred246
    • By fred246 7th Apr 17, 5:02 AM
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    I seem to remember the head of one of the largest helmet manufacturers doing a bit of a Gerald Ratner style PR gaffe when she was giving a lecture to other business people. She said her job was to see how much money she could get people to part with for a piece of polystyrene with holes in it. If you were a helmet manufacturer you would:
    1)Protect and promote your brand in every way possible
    2)Design good looking helmets
    3)Go to the east and get them made for pennies
    4)Sell them for as much as you can get people to pay
    If you look at reviews of helmets basically everybody is very happy with what they buy. I paid less than £20 and have a Giro Indicator that I've been very happy with. I forget that I am wearing it. The only thing that bothers me would be that my helmet doesn't bother me.
    • glennevis
    • By glennevis 7th Apr 17, 8:37 AM
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    Got to agree with fred246. Nothing wrong with my Aldi helmet for under £20 and it has a built in rear light and 3 year warranty. 30 days returns policy if you decide you don't like it.
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 7th Apr 17, 9:37 AM
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    I never pay more than £20 for a helmet, my last one was one from the Lidl sell-off, cost me about £5.

    I have one that I leave on my bike in a town centre rather than carrying it around, the decorative coating is coming off and it is unlikely to draw attention. Had someone ask me if I was not worried about the safety aspect - er, no, the polystyrene is fully in tact and it has never been dropped or knocked, just had the sun on it.

    There is a cardboard one being developed
    http://www.digitaltrends.com/outdoors/cardboard-bike-helmet/
    and I shall probably be buying one to keep as a spare - easy to carry and will be handy if anyone ever decides to cut one off my bike and jump on it (again ). I can see no reason why it should not give a good standard of protection.
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    • LoraN
    • By LoraN 13th Apr 17, 11:48 AM
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    I have Primark and I can say that is pretty good.
    • Altarf
    • By Altarf 18th Apr 17, 4:09 PM
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    Why would you buy a £70 helmet over a £30 helmet for example?
    Originally posted by JustAnotherSaver
    The same reason why someone would buy a BMW over an Dacia Sandero or a Rolex over a Casio.

    A polystyrene hat is not the most sophisticated technology, so realistically you have to even question why they would be charging £30 rather than £3.
    • mysterymurdoch
    • By mysterymurdoch 19th Apr 17, 6:38 AM
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    It really is almost entirely branding to be honest!

    It's just not true that cheap helmets are hot or uncomfy. Maybe in the 1990's yes. I have two, and they cost £25 and £30 and they're spot on. An Uvex and a Giro. Both so comfy I don't know they're there, both look alright (no mushroom head). I've never once ever considered matching my helmet to my gear to my bike, though I know a lot of people do. I can't help but ask "why" when I see them, proudly sporting their branded gear head to toe, and pootling along, no team sponsorship or race wins!
    • Zzelonzi
    • By Zzelonzi 28th Apr 17, 10:40 AM
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    Big thanks for this topic!
    I'm just looking for a cheap but good helmet
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 1st May 17, 9:21 PM
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    Now i'm sure they all have to pass tests so the £30 helmet should be good enough
    Originally posted by JustAnotherSaver
    I agree with Brat, the safety standard all helmets are certified to is fairly basic
    Originally posted by Johnmcl7
    really basic cheap helmets which may pass the safety criteria
    Originally posted by AndyBSG
    Not having a dig, genuine question: what are the safety criteria, what tests have to be passed, and who conducts and certifies them?


    I've been around motorcycles for many years and I know that there are many testing schemes and standards for motorbike helmets - SHARK, Snell, ACU etc. The nature of the tests are well-publicised, the results are widely-known, and the manufacturers often quote test and safety standards in their advertising.


    I have never seen anything similar for cycle helmets, and would be interested to hear of there is anything similar for those. I don't think there is, to be honest, but I am willing to be proved wrong.
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    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 1st May 17, 9:59 PM
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    Not having a dig, genuine question: what are the safety criteria, what tests have to be passed, and who conducts and certifies them?


    I've been around motorcycles for many years and I know that there are many testing schemes and standards for motorbike helmets - SHARK, Snell, ACU etc. The nature of the tests are well-publicised, the results are widely-known, and the manufacturers often quote test and safety standards in their advertising.


    I have never seen anything similar for cycle helmets, and would be interested to hear of there is anything similar for those. I don't think there is, to be honest, but I am willing to be proved wrong.
    Originally posted by Richard53
    Perhaps this is the list you are looking for:
    • Altarf
    • By Altarf 1st May 17, 10:11 PM
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    Take a look here - http://www.cyclehelmets.org/papers/c2023.pdf

    I particularly liked the statement "Cycle helmets are primarily designed for falls without any other vehicle involved. In many legal cases I have studied where a cyclist was in collision with a motorised vehicle, the impact energy potentials were of a level that outstripped those that we use to certify Grand Prix motor racing helmets.

    The tests that cycle helmets currently go through mean that they should offer similar protection to a pedestrian who trips and falls to the ground."


    Doesn't seem a great reason to wear a polystyrene hat.
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 1st May 17, 11:31 PM
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    Perhaps this is the list you are looking for:
    Originally posted by wealdroam
    Thank you. I hadn't seen that before.
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    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 1st May 17, 11:43 PM
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    The tests that cycle helmets currently go through mean that they should offer similar protection to a pedestrian who trips and falls to the ground."

    Doesn't seem a great reason to wear a polystyrene hat.
    Originally posted by Altarf
    I had heard that the general idea was to protect the head from a fall of 2 metres or less at a speed of 5 mph or less. The tests referenced above seem to support that, broadly.


    I have yet to hear of a reputable study anywhere in the world which shows a reduction of head injury or fatality as a result of compulsory helmet wearing. The Dutch seem to manage quite well without them.


    I usually wear one, partly because my wife likes me to and I don't want to cause her unnecessary worry, and partly because in some weather conditions it is more comfortable to do so. I never put one on thinking it will protect me from significant injury.
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