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    • snnl
    • By snnl 3rd Apr 17, 10:41 AM
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    Euro Car Parks advice
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    • 3rd Apr 17, 10:41 AM
    Euro Car Parks advice 3rd Apr 17 at 10:41 AM
    Hi,

    After reading through the forum and checking out the stickies at the top I must say you guys do an amazing job here standing up to the PPCs!

    So now for why I'm here. I'm after some advice after being given some initial bad advice... I was told by a family member to IGNORE the PCN that was issued via post (not a window ticket - ANPR).

    I decided to visit here and see what the likely next steps would be after receiving a few letters and after reading the forum I now know ignoring was probably the worst thing to do but hey, you live and learn!

    Date PCN was issued 10/12/2016 by Euro Car Parks at Shorne Woods Country Park

    So I've ignore the following letters:

    ECP Initial Parking Charge Notice - dated 19/12/16
    ECP NTK - dated 09/01/17
    DRP+ letter 1 - dated 15//02/17
    DRP+ letter 2 - Notice of Intended Court Action - dated 02/03/17
    DRP+ letter 3 - Offer of payment by instalments (must accept by 31/3/17) - dated 17/03/17

    I've heard nothing since the last letter and i'm pretty much expecting them to issue a small claims soon (unless im the lucky one who they don't pursue).

    I've had no direct contact with them via email/letter/phone. Not admitted who was driving or anything - straight silence on my part.

    Is there anything I should do now? Write back and deny the debt, tell them I wont pay, I will go through the courts etc? After reading through the forums and threads I feel like I've missed out on loads of stuff I should have done to help my case should it go to court.

    Going to court does not scare me and I will happily go defend my corner!

    If I've missed anything let me know and thank you in advance. Happy to put up the backstory of how I got the ticket if that helps? Didn't want to bore!

    Many Thanks!
    Last edited by snnl; 03-04-2017 at 10:43 AM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 3rd Apr 17, 11:02 AM
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    • #2
    • 3rd Apr 17, 11:02 AM
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    • 3rd Apr 17, 11:02 AM
    I've heard nothing since the last letter and i'm pretty much expecting them to issue a small claims soon (unless im the lucky one who they don't pursue).
    Euro Car Parks never pursue anyone to court.

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Euro_Car_Parks.html

    Look how many 'fake PCNs' they bombard people with each year and there is just one appearance at a hearing shown (which might not even be parking/driver related, could be money owed by a contractor or supplier).

    Is there anything I should do now? Write back and deny the debt, tell them I wont pay, I will go through the courts etc? After reading through the forums and threads I feel like I've missed out on loads of stuff I should have done to help my case should it go to court.
    Relax. You got lucky, in that it's only ECP. I've ignored them myself! Never reply to debt collectors. So - unless you move house and have to update an address for letters - ignore unless they break the habit of a lifetime within 6 years and try some small claims (defendable & no big deal).
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • snnl
    • By snnl 3rd Apr 17, 11:17 AM
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    • #3
    • 3rd Apr 17, 11:17 AM
    Pcm?
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    • 3rd Apr 17, 11:17 AM
    Hi Coupon-mad,

    Thanks for the fast reply, Thats relaxing to know that they never *touch wood* take anyone to court!

    I'll continue to ignore any subsequent letters from DRP+ etc. If in the highly unlikely event a claim comes through i'll pop my head back in to this thread for further advice!

    While I have your attention, and before i start another thread, i do have another fake PCN issued by PCM for a ticket at Bluewater (this car is used by various people) from 5/12/16

    This one, however, is only on the 1st Debt collection letter from TRACE (slacking compared to DRP+).

    Are these guys equally as toothless as ECP? they have a few more court hearings than ECP when i looked on the BMPA website:

    Again I guess its a case of ignore?

    Thanks so much for your quick and informative help!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 3rd Apr 17, 2:18 PM
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    • #4
    • 3rd Apr 17, 2:18 PM
    • #4
    • 3rd Apr 17, 2:18 PM
    While I have your attention, and before i start another thread, i do have another fake PCN issued by PCM for a ticket at Bluewater (this car is used by various people) from 5/12/16

    This one, however, is only on the 1st Debt collection letter from TRACE (slacking compared to DRP+).

    Are these guys equally as toothless as ECP?
    PCM are more likely to try a court claim via Gladstones so you would be best trying to get it cancelled by the landowner by complaining to Bluewater assertively saying you and your family will never shop there again, etc. Attach receipts/bank statement as proof of purchases that day and don't take no for an answer!

    In fact you could try the same with the Euro Car Parks one by complaining to Shorne Woods Country Park.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • snnl
    • By snnl 3rd Apr 17, 3:03 PM
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    • #5
    • 3rd Apr 17, 3:03 PM
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    • 3rd Apr 17, 3:03 PM
    Hi Coupon-mad,

    Thanks for the advice, I may look in to that tonight! These things are such a pain! how on earth an industry can run like this is amazing!
    • snnl
    • By snnl 8th May 17, 4:59 PM
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    • #6
    • 8th May 17, 4:59 PM
    Country Parks Reply
    • #6
    • 8th May 17, 4:59 PM
    Hi all,

    Little update, so, I wrote to Kent Country Parks to complain about the 'PCN' that was received by 'a family member' from ECP whilst visiting Shorne Woods Country Parks and how I'd like them to get this PCN cancelled after an honest mistake by the family.

    I explained the situation in detail via email (I can post this in full if it helps) – explaining that the family drove and parked at the park in ‘family car A’ but the person who bought the ticket mistakenly put in the reg of ‘family car B’ which, obviously, was at home on the drive and never went to the park.
    This happened as the person who bought the ticket usually drives family car B and automatically put that reg in without thinking.

    After nearly two weeks I have had a reply from the country parks email address:

    “Dear XXXX
    !
    Firstly apologies for the delay in replying to your email.
    !
    In order for me to investigate further, please could you ask the family member to whom the PCN was issued to contact us direct at !Country@kent.gov.uk!providing the vehicle registration the PCN was issued to and the vehicle registration number they entered, along with a copy of the pay & display ticket for the day of visit in December 2016 and a copy (photo is fine) of the PCN ensuring the PCN number beginning PCN 8888 is clearly visible.

    Kind Regards

    XXXXX”

    How do I go about replying to this? In my original email I Just referencing it as “a family member got a PCN”. Obviously, I don’t want to name the driver encase they go to the PCC and say “XXX was driving but we want it cancelled” and the PPC refuse and now know the driver!

    But would I look stupid now saying it was issued to me the RK, (who was not the driver) after only ever saying it was a family memeber at the start?

    Sorry its Monday and a bit confusing! Any help to get the right words out are appreciated.

    Thanks!
    • Redx
    • By Redx 8th May 17, 6:01 PM
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    • #7
    • 8th May 17, 6:01 PM
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    • 8th May 17, 6:01 PM
    you should bear in mind that the driver is not necessarily the one buying the paid for ticket , an occupant of the vehicle (or anybody , including myself) could have bought the ticket on the day and input an incorrect registration

    any wordings should be in that manner , that an occupant or a family member bought the ticket, here is a copy or photo etc and they can clearly see the fact that the fee was paid , albeit an incorrect VRM was used

    there is no need to talk about the driver of either vehicle
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • 123Peanut
    • By 123Peanut 30th May 17, 4:07 PM
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    • #8
    • 30th May 17, 4:07 PM
    Euro car parks Hounslow ticket. And DRP collection!
    • #8
    • 30th May 17, 4:07 PM
    Hi guys,

    So on April 3rd I went to Hounslow Euro car parks and paid for 1 hour via the phone line and went for dinner with my fianc!es parents. When it got close to the cut off time I called the phone number to add more money as I thought I'd be back 10 minutes late. Instead I was about 15 minutes late. This car park has a camera system and issued me a bill for staying too long and this was sent to my home address. I ignored it and the second letter but now DRP are involved asking for the new debt of £135 or they are threatening to advise their client to take court action. The cut off date for the bill is tomorrow 31st may.
    I haven't responded at all to either of the companies.
    I'm seeing conflicting advise on here.
    Anyone know what I can do??
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 30th May 17, 4:14 PM
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    • #9
    • 30th May 17, 4:14 PM
    • #9
    • 30th May 17, 4:14 PM
    I ignored it and the second letter but now DRP are involved
    I'm seeing conflicting advise on here.
    Anyone know what I can do??
    Yes...you should not have ignored it. Please read the NEWBIES thread (at the top of the forum) post #1 shows you what you should have done.

    Post #4 shows you now, to ignore debt collectors. Because you missed the appeal stage.

    NO POST TELLS YOU TO PAY.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • 123Peanut
    • By 123Peanut 30th May 17, 4:18 PM
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    @ Coupon-Mad. You think I should just ignore them now and not do anything about it??
    • 123Peanut
    • By 123Peanut 30th May 17, 4:19 PM
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    I read so many posts saying to ignore it from the beginning. Oh crap now what am I going to do!!????
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 30th May 17, 4:19 PM
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    Read the newbies thread post #4 and calm down.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • 123Peanut
    • By 123Peanut 30th May 17, 4:34 PM
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    Thank you. I'm just surprised that the advice is to ignore that's all
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 30th May 17, 4:48 PM
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    Because debt collectors are just letter-senders and you are too late to appeal.

    BTW, this is not your thread so it is unfair to hijack it, so no replies here please.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • 123Peanut
    • By 123Peanut 15th Jun 17, 8:34 AM
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    Hi coupon mad. Sorry to hijack the thread. Just easier than starting s new thread.

    So DRP just sent another threatening letter saying that if I don't pay by next week then they will advise ecp to take court action.
    Your advice?
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 15th Jun 17, 8:42 AM
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    Hi coupon mad. Sorry to hijack the thread. Just easier than starting s new thread.

    So DRP just sent another threatening letter saying that if I don't pay by next week then they will advise ecp to take court action.
    Your advice?
    Originally posted by 123Peanut
    You have been told what to do about powerless debt collectors, also to stop contaminating someone else's thread, it may be easier for you but it makes it very difficult for everyone else!
    • 123Peanut
    • By 123Peanut 15th Jun 17, 8:56 AM
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    Sorry pal 🤦🏽!♂️
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Jun 17, 9:55 PM
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    Hi coupon mad. Sorry to hijack the thread. Just easier than starting s new thread.

    So DRP just sent another threatening letter saying that if I don't pay by next week then they will advise ecp to take court action.
    Your advice?
    Originally posted by 123Peanut
    Read the NEWBIES thread first.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • snnl
    • By snnl 29th Jun 17, 12:43 PM
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    *UPDATE*

    Hey guys, thought I'd give you an update on my PCN with ECP.

    After contacting the land owner, Shore Woods Country Park and explaining the situation they got back to me today with confirmation that the PCN has been cancelled by ECP (even got the email sent to me that has ECP confirming this).

    So woohoo! that's a big relief and a nice win!

    So firstly, thanks CM for your advice on here and also the wider community for their advice I've seen outside on this post it's great!

    Things I've learnt. Do NOT ignore the initial PCN - always appeal!! This *might* have been cancelled early on. However going directly to the land owner in this instance worked perfectly. It was a straight forward mistake and I'm glad common sense prevailed.

    Cheers
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 29th Jun 17, 1:01 PM
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    Well done on getting a cancellation

    Things I've learnt. Do NOT ignore the initial PCN - always appeal!! This *might* have been cancelled early on. However going directly to the land owner in this instance worked perfectly. It was a straight forward mistake and I'm glad common sense prevailed.
    The other point is really to read the PPC notice(s) and work within their silly rules. Because if everyone does that, no more PCNs, no more appeals, no more parking companies!
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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