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    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 30th Mar 17, 6:51 PM
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    *Notice of intended court action* -CPM parking fine
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    • 30th Mar 17, 6:51 PM
    *Notice of intended court action* -CPM parking fine 30th Mar 17 at 6:51 PM
    Hi All,

    I'm new to here. I've crawled through tons of threads and feeling assure that i don't have to pay up for my parking charge issued by CPM.

    In the last two letters i have received from DRP aka Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, they've brought up Supreme Court ruling, where the court ruled that the parking charge was lawful to private parking fine? They've also mentioned in the letter *Notice of intended court action*, if the fine is unpaid by 05/04/2017.

    I've attached all the letters that i have received in this link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ytejv7snqo5nx32/AAAWx5N-xtGQWJDvwbaMPjUda?dl=0

    What should i do? Should i just pay the fine? i'm so lost

    Many thanks,
    Chester
    Last edited by chester_mand; 28-06-2017 at 7:23 PM. Reason: more info
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Jun 17, 9:16 PM
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    I just looked and there are 3 or 4 example responses, none of which talks about Annex A.

    NOT ''most importantly for GS''. Who cares which solicitor it's for? You adapt it to suit.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

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    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 29th Jun 17, 9:22 PM
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    I just looked and there are 3 or 4 example responses, none of which talks about Annex A.

    NOT ''most importantly for GS''. Who cares which solicitor it's for? You adapt it to suit.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Oh.... i thought i have to use the one that's specficially for GS...
    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 29th Jun 17, 9:40 PM
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    Is this ok? And just one question about the signaute of this response, do i put it the same as how the letter was addressed?

    Dear Sirs,

    Re: Gladstones Solictors
    References
    XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX!

    I note your letter before claim dated 21st June 2017, received 26th June 2017.

    I deny that I owe any debt to your client, Britannia Parking Group Ltd.

    I intend to defend any claim and I invite you to advise your client to withdraw at this early stage, before costs are incurred in defending a claim against me as registered keeper. I believe any claim by UK Car Park Management Limited is baseless and misconceived and is bound to fail.!

    Further, your client has adduced no evidence whatsoever as to the identities of the drivers at the material times. There was, of course, no requirement in law for me to respond to the NTKs in question, so any suggestion of failure on my part will be robustly defended. Indeed I view the continued - increasingly threatening - demands as harassment. Had Britannia evidenced the driver(s) in their NTKs, I would have passed the purported 'PCNs' to those drivers, since these are not matters for which a registered keeper can be held liable in law. This position is entirely due to the choice of your client when drawing up a Notice to Keeper (NTK) document which does not in any way attempt to use nor rely upon the rights they might otherwise have been able to claim, under the Protection of Freedoms Act (the POFA) Schedule 4.

    You have listed separate 'parking charge notices' in which the facts seem to be fairly identical but all of the NTKs are matters for an identified driver only. I am not liable and cannot be lawfully assumed to have been the driver on each or any occasion. Should you attempt to rely upon the cases of!Elliott v Loake!(irrelevant criminal case) and or!Combined Parking Solutions v AJH Films!(irrelevant employee/employer commercial liability issue), you should be aware and fairly warned now, to advise your client that these have never been reported as persuasive or even applicable to any robustly-defended private parking case.

    Your client need to be aware of several recent cases where the Judges ruled!Elliott v Loake!as not relevant or applicable, including!Excel v Mr C!C8DP37F1 Stockport 31/10/2016, and!Excel v Mr B!C7DP8F83 at Sheffield 14/12/2016. Further,!Excel v Lamoureux!at Skipton C3DP56Q5 involved three unreasonable claims in which DJ Skalskyj-Reynolds examined the Parking Operator's NTK and found that it did not comply with the POFA. The claimant was warned not to bring further baseless non-POFA cases to that Court and were forced to discontinue the final vexatious claim. This transcript will be adduced in evidence in my defence:

    http://nebula.wsimg.com/ab774da5f40c5d7082d483820e2241cb?AccessKeyId=4CB8F 2392A09CF228A46&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

    In addition, PATAS and POPLA Lead Adjudicator and barrister, Henry Michael Greenslade clarified that with regards to keeper liability, "There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver and operators should never suggest anything of the sort" (POPLA Annual Report 2015). All AOS members with the British Parking Association (including your client) adhere to POPLA requirements and have been furnished with copies of all POPLA Annual Reports to date so there is no lawful excuse for proceeding against a registered keeper when an operator chooses not to use the POFA.

    In each demand, your client has added in costs/administrative charges which are not defined in any contractual document. It is my belief that your client's additional costs are arbitrary and unsubstantiated and are an attempt at double recovery, which cannot be supported on the small claims track. Should your client attempt to rely upon another commonly trotted-out case in these baseless robo-claims for parking operators, namely!Chaplair Ltd vs Kumari![2015] this can easily be distinguished from this matter, since that was an irrelevant decision about contractual fees set in lease terms, not 'costs' fabricated by a parking firm who already make a significant profit from paid 'PCNs' as was found in!ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis![2015], where I would remind you that the parking firm were only entitled to claim for the £85 charge itself. This sum was held to be more than sufficient to cover the very minimal cost of operating a generic ANPR camera 'enforcement regime' with a few template letters generated automatically.!!

    Since the POFA also states that the only sum that can be claimed from a registered keeper (subject to full compliance with Schedule 4) is the sum stated on the NTK itself - not allowing double recovery - it is clear that it is neither within the intentions of Parliament, nor was it held by the Supreme Court, that any parking firm can add further costs dressed up as 'damages' or loss, over and above the artificially high/already inflated parking charge sum itself.

    If your client will not withdraw, then I ask for your response to the matters above and for the following documents:

    i. The contract (or chain of contracts) between your client and the site landowner - not a site agent or other non-landholder - giving your client authority to carry out parking management and on what terms;

    ii. Any and all photographs taken of my car on the material dates;

    iii. A copy of any document your client asserts sets out the terms of the alleged contract between it and a driver (this may be the same as!iv!below);

    iv. A copy of the signs on display and a dated plan of where in the car park they were displayed on those dates;

    v. A map showing the boundary within the site, purportedly operated by Britannia Parking Group Ltd., as opposed to the other parking operators also operating at this location.

    These are core documents, central to your client’s claim. As such, they are documents which are required to have been produced at an early stage (regardless of whether or not I asked for them) in this pre-action phase, pursuant to paragraph 6 of the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct. I would have expected at the very least, that the contract requested under iii above should have been appended to the Letter Before Claim. I am requesting these documents because I clearly require them in order to be able to prepare a proper defence to any Claim and/or a meaningful POPLA appeal, as is my entitlement. The CPR clearly anticipate an early exchange of information, as per paragraph 6 of the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct, Rule 16 and Practice Direction 16 – any failure to produce the information I have asked for will be nothing other than a deliberate attempt to frustrate my ability to defend the claim and a failure to comply with pre-action obligations.

    Any failure by you/your client, to enter into meaningful dialogue in order to avoid unnecessary litigation will mean that you will have denied me the opportunity to “take stock” pursuant to paragraph 12 of the Practice Direction, or to enter into discussions with you pursuant to paragraph 13. I will seek the sanctions provided for by paragraph 15 of the Practice Direction.!

    It is noted that you have stated inexplicably, that you do not consider that this matter is suitable for Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). However, I disagree. Not only is ADR a requirement at this stage under the pre-action protocol but I also wish to draw your attention to the EU ADR Directive of 21 May 2013 and The Alternative Dispute Resolution for Consumer Disputes Regulations 2015.!

    Private parking tickets issued by AOS members are always suited to the ADR of an independent appeals service, which exists for this exact purpose. As Britannia Parking Group Ltd is a member of British Parking Association, should your client refuse to withdraw I hereby make the reasonable request that this dispute is resolved out of court by of Parking on Private Land Appeals (POPLA) and to minimise costs, the claimant should issue one POPLA code for one of the Parking Charge Notices and agree to place the other disputed “charges” on hold whilst this process is completed.!!

    I would remind you that POPLA is very clearly a reasonable resolution out of court and since on your website you state that: 'the solicitors at SCS Law have vast experience of civil litigation, debt recovery and enforcement, which provides {...} a highly specialised and expert service' it should not even be remotely necessary for me to have to draw your attention to the overriding objective within the Civil Procedure Rules, enabling parties to deal with cases justly and at proportionate cost, saving expense for both sides in resolving a dispute. I protest at your suggestion that you can deny me my right to ADR. POPLA codes can be issued at any time, not just in the first 28 day arbitrary deadline (imposed in the interests of parking operators only, creating a significant imbalance in the rights of consumers). It may interest you to know that POPLA codes have been produced by parking operators many months/years after parking events, by order of the Courts and if your client refuses to withdraw I am formally asking for a POPLA code now and will make the same reasonable request of the CCBC when serving my Directions Questionnaire in due course.

    Should your client deny my right to ADR and proceed despite being unable to invoke 'keeper liability' in law, I will consider the action to be indicative of wholly unreasonable and vexatious conduct in litigation. I will draw to the court’s attention to the issues, will claim my costs and will cite unreasonable conduct pursuant to Rule 27.14(2)(g).

    Finally, since there is clear evidence that this proposed claim has no prospects of success and if pursued, will have been wrongly brought, I am advised that your client has breached the terms of the Data Protection Act by misusing my data to mislead me about liability.!!

    Your client has accessed my keeper details from the DVLA on more than one occasion and despite having no information as to the driver on each occasion, it continued under an unreasonable and unlawful assumption to pursue me instead, when it had no right to do so. Whilst obtaining DVLA data to enquire who was driving is allowed under the KADOE rules, that data must not be further used for any purpose outside the basis upon which it was provided by the DVLA. Your client has stepped outside the DVLA provision of my data by continuing to cause me significant distress by harassing me, the registered keeper. There can be no doubt whatsoever that a Letter before Claim sent blindly to a person with no legal liability is likely to cause enormous distress and I confirm that this is the case.!!

    I require you and your client to case and desist. To be clear, I decline any invitation to name the driver and this is my lawful right. There the matter must end, because Britannia Parking Group Ltd have no lawful excuse to use my DVLA data beyond the very basic cause, of enquiring as to the driver's identity. A line must now be drawn under this exchange.!!

    Should this matter proceed then I put you on notice that I will make a counterclaim for damages in respect of such Data Protection Act (DPA) breaches, in respect of each and every individual PCN/DVLA data request. I understand that there is case law which supports a damages award of £750 for each breach (so a total of £6,000 in this case as a counterclaim). I believe I am entitled to claim an award of aggravated damages because your client must have been aware of the provisions of, and its duties pursuant to, the DPA and the limitations as to the use of the data they extracted under the KADOE. They are indisputably aware that they were operating a business model which gives them no rights whatsoever to claim against a registered keeper and I require them to withdraw immediately.

    I expect a substantive response with the documents and POPLA code (or confirmation of cancellation of all PCNs) within 14 days of this letter.

    Yours faithfully,
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Jun 17, 9:49 PM
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    You need to adapt it to suit, as I said.

    Your PPC is not Britannia Parking Group Ltd and they are mentioned 3 or 4 times there, clearly you must change the name...

    ...and your PPC is not in the BPA, nor do they offer POPLA.

    Is your case about several PCNs (I can't recall?), so is this true?:
    You have listed separate 'parking charge notices' in which the facts seem to be fairly identical but all of the NTKs are matters for an identified driver only.
    Is this true (below)?
    Your client has accessed my keeper details from the DVLA on more than one occasion
    Is your case about a site with two different parking operators on site?
    v. A map showing the boundary within the site, purportedly operated by Britannia Parking Group Ltd., as opposed to the other parking operators also operating at this location.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 29th Jun 17, 10:17 PM
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    My bad Coupon-mad. I have amended on my doc but posted the template the template here.

    Is this true (below)?
    Your client has accessed my keeper details from the DVLA on more than one occasion
    Yes. It was mentioned in the first few letters i got from CPM and the debt collector.

    "Details were orginally sent to the address provided by the DVA for the registered kepper of the vehicle at the date the parking charge was isseued etc...."

    So am i right by filling the signature part as how the letter was addressed to?

    Dear Sirs,

    Re: Gladstones Solicitors
    References
    XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXX!

    I note your letter before claim dated 21st June 2017, received 26th June 2017.

    I deny that I owe any debt to your client, UK Car Park Management Limited.

    I intend to defend any claim and I invite you to advise your client to withdraw at this early stage, before costs are incurred in defending a claim against me as registered keeper. I believe any claim by UK Car Park Management Limited is baseless and misconceived and is bound to fail.!

    Further, your client has adduced no evidence whatsoever as to the identities of the drivers at the material times. There was, of course, no requirement in law for me to respond to the NTKs in question, so any suggestion of failure on my part will be robustly defended. Indeed I view the continued - increasingly threatening - demands as harassment. Had UK Car Park Management Limited evidenced the driver(s) in their NTKs, I would have passed the purported 'PCNs' to those drivers, since these are not matters for which a registered keeper can be held liable in law. This position is entirely due to the choice of your client when drawing up a Notice to Keeper (NTK) document which does not in any way attempt to use nor rely upon the rights they might otherwise have been able to claim, under the Protection of Freedoms Act (the POFA) Schedule 4.

    I am not liable and cannot be lawfully assumed to have been the driver on each or any occasion. Should you attempt to rely upon the cases of!Elliott v Loake!(irrelevant criminal case) and or!Combined Parking Solutions v AJH Films!(irrelevant employee/employer commercial liability issue), you should be aware and fairly warned now, to advise your client that these have never been reported as persuasive or even applicable to any robustly-defended private parking case.

    Your client need to be aware of several recent cases where the Judges ruled!Elliott v Loake!as not relevant or applicable, including!Excel v Mr C!C8DP37F1 Stockport 31/10/2016, and!Excel v Mr B!C7DP8F83 at Sheffield 14/12/2016. Further,!Excel v Lamoureux!at Skipton C3DP56Q5 involved three unreasonable claims in which DJ Skalskyj-Reynolds examined the Parking Operator's NTK and found that it did not comply with the POFA. The claimant was warned not to bring further baseless non-POFA cases to that Court and were forced to discontinue the final vexatious claim. This transcript will be adduced in evidence in my defence:

    http://nebula.wsimg.com/ab774da5f40c5d7082d483820e2241cb?AccessKeyId=4CB8F 2392A09CF228A46&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

    In addition, PATAS and POPLA Lead Adjudicator and barrister, Henry Michael Greenslade clarified that with regards to keeper liability, "There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver and operators should never suggest anything of the sort" (POPLA Annual Report 2015). All AOS members with the British Parking Association (including your client) adhere to POPLA requirements and have been furnished with copies of all POPLA Annual Reports to date so there is no lawful excuse for proceeding against a registered keeper when an operator chooses not to use the POFA.

    In each demand, your client has added in costs/administrative charges which are not defined in any contractual document. It is my belief that your client's additional costs are arbitrary and unsubstantiated and are an attempt at double recovery, which cannot be supported on the small claims track. Should your client attempt to rely upon another commonly trotted-out case in these baseless robo-claims for parking operators, namely!Chaplair Ltd vs Kumari![2015] this can easily be distinguished from this matter, since that was an irrelevant decision about contractual fees set in lease terms, not 'costs' fabricated by a parking firm who already make a significant profit from paid 'PCNs' as was found in!ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis![2015], where I would remind you that the parking firm were only entitled to claim for the £85 charge itself. This sum was held to be more than sufficient to cover the very minimal cost of operating a generic ANPR camera 'enforcement regime' with a few template letters generated automatically.!!

    Since the POFA also states that the only sum that can be claimed from a registered keeper (subject to full compliance with Schedule 4) is the sum stated on the NTK itself - not allowing double recovery - it is clear that it is neither within the intentions of Parliament, nor was it held by the Supreme Court, that any parking firm can add further costs dressed up as 'damages' or loss, over and above the artificially high/already inflated parking charge sum itself.

    If your client will not withdraw, then I ask for your response to the matters above and for the following documents:

    i. The contract (or chain of contracts) between your client and the site landowner - not a site agent or other non-landholder - giving your client authority to carry out parking management and on what terms;

    ii. Any and all photographs taken of my car on the material dates;

    iii. A copy of any document your client asserts sets out the terms of the alleged contract between it and a driver (this may be the same as!iv!below);

    iv. A copy of the signs on display and a dated plan of where in the car park they were displayed on those dates.

    These are core documents, central to your client’s claim. As such, they are documents which are required to have been produced at an early stage (regardless of whether or not I asked for them) in this pre-action phase, pursuant to paragraph 6 of the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct. I would have expected at the very least, that the contract requested under iii above should have been appended to the Letter Before Claim. I am requesting these documents because I clearly require them in order to be able to prepare a proper defence to any Claim and/or a meaningful POPLA appeal, as is my entitlement. The CPR clearly anticipate an early exchange of information, as per paragraph 6 of the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct, Rule 16 and Practice Direction 16 – any failure to produce the information I have asked for will be nothing other than a deliberate attempt to frustrate my ability to defend the claim and a failure to comply with pre-action obligations.

    Any failure by you/your client, to enter into meaningful dialogue in order to avoid unnecessary litigation will mean that you will have denied me the opportunity to “take stock” pursuant to paragraph 12 of the Practice Direction, or to enter into discussions with you pursuant to paragraph 13. I will seek the sanctions provided for by paragraph 15 of the Practice Direction.!

    It is noted that you have stated inexplicably, that you do not consider that this matter is suitable for Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). However, I disagree. Not only is ADR a requirement at this stage under the pre-action protocol but I also wish to draw your attention to the EU ADR Directive of 21 May 2013 and The Alternative Dispute Resolution for Consumer Disputes Regulations 2015.!

    Private parking tickets issued by AOS members are always suited to the ADR of an independent appeals service, which exists for this exact purpose. As UK Car Park Management Limited Parking Group Ltd is a member of British Parking Association, should your client refuse to withdraw I hereby make the reasonable request that this dispute is resolved out of court by of Parking on Private Land Appeals (POPLA) and to minimise costs, the claimant should issue one POPLA code for one of the Parking Charge Notices and agree to place the other disputed “charges” on hold whilst this process is completed.!!

    I would remind you that POPLA is very clearly a reasonable resolution out of court and since on your website you state that: 'the solicitors at SCS Law have vast experience of civil litigation, debt recovery and enforcement, which provides {...} a highly specialised and expert service' it should not even be remotely necessary for me to have to draw your attention to the overriding objective within the Civil Procedure Rules, enabling parties to deal with cases justly and at proportionate cost, saving expense for both sides in resolving a dispute. I protest at your suggestion that you can deny me my right to ADR. POPLA codes can be issued at any time, not just in the first 28 day arbitrary deadline (imposed in the interests of parking operators only, creating a significant imbalance in the rights of consumers). It may interest you to know that POPLA codes have been produced by parking operators many months/years after parking events, by order of the Courts and if your client refuses to withdraw I am formally asking for a POPLA code now and will make the same reasonable request of the CCBC when serving my Directions Questionnaire in due course.

    Should your client deny my right to ADR and proceed despite being unable to invoke 'keeper liability' in law, I will consider the action to be indicative of wholly unreasonable and vexatious conduct in litigation. I will draw to the court’s attention to the issues, will claim my costs and will cite unreasonable conduct pursuant to Rule 27.14(2)(g).

    Finally, since there is clear evidence that this proposed claim has no prospects of success and if pursued, will have been wrongly brought, I am advised that your client has breached the terms of the Data Protection Act by misusing my data to mislead me about liability.!!

    Your client has accessed my keeper details from the DVLA on more than one occasion and despite having no information as to the driver on each occasion, it continued under an unreasonable and unlawful assumption to pursue me instead, when it had no right to do so. Whilst obtaining DVLA data to enquire who was driving is allowed under the KADOE rules, that data must not be further used for any purpose outside the basis upon which it was provided by the DVLA. Your client has stepped outside the DVLA provision of my data by continuing to cause me significant distress by harassing me, the registered keeper. There can be no doubt whatsoever that a Letter before Claim sent blindly to a person with no legal liability is likely to cause enormous distress and I confirm that this is the case.!!

    I require you and your client to case and desist. To be clear, I decline any invitation to name the driver and this is my lawful right. There the matter must end, because UK Car Park Management Limited Parking Group Ltd have no lawful excuse to use my DVLA data beyond the very basic cause, of enquiring as to the driver's identity. A line must now be drawn under this exchange.!!

    Should this matter proceed then I put you on notice that I will make a counterclaim for damages in respect of such Data Protection Act (DPA) breaches, in respect of each and every individual PCN/DVLA data request. I understand that there is case law which supports a damages award of £750 for each breach (so a total of £6,000 in this case as a counterclaim). I believe I am entitled to claim an award of aggravated damages because your client must have been aware of the provisions of, and its duties pursuant to, the DPA and the limitations as to the use of the data they extracted under the KADOE. They are indisputably aware that they were operating a business model which gives them no rights whatsoever to claim against a registered keeper and I require them to withdraw immediately.

    I expect a substantive response with the documents and POPLA code (or confirmation of cancellation of all PCNs) within 14 days of this letter.

    Yours faithfully,
    Last edited by chester_mand; 29-06-2017 at 10:49 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Jun 17, 10:43 PM
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    ''Accessed the DVLA on more than one occasion'' means more than one PCN. So, is that right?

    Would you not find it easier with a shorter one? I gave WhiteTsBlackJeans on pepipoo the same advice about replying to a LBCCC and where to look for previous ones, and he found an example, no probs:

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=113569&st=20&start=20

    Might be simpler, because there are so many points in the long one. I like it but I am not confident you are seeing everything in it that's not relevant to your case.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 29th Jun 17, 11:09 PM
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    ''Accessed the DVLA on more than one occasion'' means more than one PCN. So, is that right?
    I have only received one PCN from CPM. From my perepective, more than one occasion means receiving different letters from different companies NTK. But i can see that i got that wrong?

    The shorter template looks comprehensive to me but i noticed it didn't ask for a POPLA code?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Jun 17, 11:32 PM
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    Why would it? As I already said, you would be deleting all that anyway:
    and your PPC is not in the BPA, nor do they offer POPLA.
    Why not just proof read stuff instead of expecting me to do it for you? It is like pulling teeth.
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    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 29th Jun 17, 11:52 PM
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    I'm so sorry... I saw on their site that they have stated they are a member of BPA and I instantly thought they are approved by them... But not in this case....
    • 60GsBaby
    • By 60GsBaby 6th Jul 17, 12:34 PM
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    have you had a resolution?
    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 6th Jul 17, 6:59 PM
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    Haven't heard anything yet
    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 8th Jul 17, 10:43 PM
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    **Update**

    I have just received a response from GS. What should i do now?

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/vowi6msg1i0u8wu/8th%20copy.pdf?dl=0
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 8th Jul 17, 10:54 PM
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    Get ready for a claim, like everyone else does. It'll happen anyway and the reply you sent wasn't designed to stop it.

    All court procedures and how to defend, are already covered in post #2 of the NEWBIES thread.

    If you want, you could reply pointing out they haven't bothered to furnish you with the contract (the sign) and repeating some of the stuff you said before. You could add that they are misleading consumers by saying that the POFA Schedule 4 'requires' a keeper to name the driver (in fact, the opposite is true and in 2011 early 2012 during the reading of the POFA Bill, Parliament decided unanimously against giving parking firms that power).

    Nothing you say will stop the claim, only then will you be able to defend it meaningfully.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 08-07-2017 at 10:57 PM.
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    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 8th Jul 17, 10:57 PM
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    Get ready for a claim, like everyone else does. It'll happen anyway and the reply you sent wasn't designed to stop it.

    All court procedures and how to defend, are already covered in post #2 of the NEWBIES thread.

    If you want, you could reply pointing out they haven't bothered to furnish you with the contract (the sign) and repeating some of the stuff you said before. Nothing you say will stop the claim, only then will you be able to defend it meaningfully.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    So does this mean they will most likely take me to court?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 8th Jul 17, 10:58 PM
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    They always were going to...this will be resolved in court. That is NOT a reason to pay them £160.

    I've added something you could reply with if you want. Nothing will stop the claim though, that's when it will be ended.
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    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 8th Jul 17, 11:02 PM
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    chester_mand
    They always were going to...this will be resolved in court. That is NOT a reason to pay them £160.

    I've added something you could reply with if you want. Nothing will stop the claim though, that's when it will be ended.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Right.... what's that something you have added for me?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 8th Jul 17, 11:06 PM
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    Quentin
    Right.... what's that something you have added for me?
    Originally posted by chester_mand
    See #53 .
    • chester_mand
    • By chester_mand 8th Jul 17, 11:08 PM
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    chester_mand
    See #53 .
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Right my bad.... Thanks for the advice and support. I will do some reading now....
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 8th Jul 17, 11:15 PM
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    Umkomaas
    Time to gird your loins and blow them into the dust!

    Go for it.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
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