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    • biscuit333
    • By biscuit333 25th Mar 17, 6:43 PM
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    Expired ID - not proof of age?
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    • 25th Mar 17, 6:43 PM
    Expired ID - not proof of age? 25th Mar 17 at 6:43 PM
    Hi all,

    Not sure if this is the place to put this but couldn't find anywhere more relevant as this is the shopping and groceries section? If I'm wrong please feel free to move it.

    Is an expired driving license really no longer proof of age? I only ask as I was trying to purchase some wine this afternoon at a well known supermarket with my wife and toddler. The cashier asked to see my and the wife's ID, which we produced as we are 34 and 32 years old. I drive but my wife hasn't drove in a few years and so she didn't realise her drivers license had expired. The cashier refused to make the sale as a result and we went home empty handed.

    So my question is, I know that expired ID cannot be used for security reasons or for exchanging money for tax reasons. But can it really not be used for age verification reasons? I mean your age isn't going to change due to the ID expiring...as long as you can be identified from your photo?

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    • slashlover
    • By slashlover 17th Apr 17, 5:44 PM
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    Which is better? Selling a bottle of beer to someone of age who is accompanied by someone potentially underage or teenagers drinking themselves to an early death on a Friday or Saturday night?

    Go on, give me your solution and don't keep me in suspense.
    Originally posted by Sicard
    You start with a bottle of beer, what if the purchaser wanted a crate of beer? Two crates? Three? It'd be easy for the person of age to be buying for the underager and be the CAUSE of teenagers drinking themselves to an early death.

    I've sold to people 25 plus and then watched them go outside and hand it over to 15 year olds. We called 101 but with no CCTV outside we can't prove it Staff have to do what they can and rules have to be set.

    (I'm in Scotland and there is a huge focus here, with far more restrictive laws.)
    • Sicard
    • By Sicard 18th Apr 17, 9:12 AM
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    You write out a legal document stating that should the person who serves you/others that you then will be willing to pay any fine they get, sig it and give that particular person a copy.

    And I won't just accept a sarcastic reply saying you've done it. I want video proof!
    Originally posted by The-Truth
    Okay. I've placed an advert for a camera crew and a boom operator and some extras. Where do you want the shoot to take place?

    An expired passport is effectively the government saying that the passport is void. Whether it makes sense or not, why is it worth potentially !!!!ing off the government just to keep Joe Bloggs happy when he tries to buy a 6 pack on a Friday night with an expired passport?

    Plus, if shops accept it as identity, it would make much more sense to tamper with an expired passport than a live one... Could give rise to more identity fraud, especially if you use a 10, 20 or even 30 year old passport which staff may not be familiar with.

    It is illegal to sell to someone under 18. Laws about drinking at home or with meals is irrelevant.

    Whether the checkout staff are in the right or wrong RE: who is shopping with the adult, there is one key thing to remember:

    The shop doesn't have to sell you the alcohol at all!

    Can't see why people are debating beyond that... Its just one of them, learn what might happen and keep minors (or young adults without ID) away from the till whilst purchasing alcohol!

    Sounds like a Saturday night in Liverpool. What's your point?

    The newspapers were always going to spin a story out of it! Granted I may be wrong, but I would wager that what happened during the Blair years was no worse than what you see these days at the weekend in major cities across the UK. You can drink till 6am round here on certain days! That's not far away from the 24/7 drinking!

    May I inquire as to why you have asked a very biased comparison question? I mean, the way you phrased it pretty much means that you could not realistically say that the latter was better!

    I don't like questions which try and steer me to think a certain way. That's what the media do and you have to take a lot of it with a pinch of salt.

    I would say that the latter is better, but then again it brings up a completely different scenario because everyone in a club has theoretically been vetted for age, expired passport or not (especially with big fines knocking around for unscrupulous clubs). With the bottle of beer at home scenario, however, it will give rise to more underage drinking at home... So there's a bit of a difference in situations, with the bottle of beer being the least dangerous IN THE SHORT TERM.
    Originally posted by daytona0
    You've been watching The Day Of The Jackel haven't you, and you know what happened to the guy who produced The Jackel's passport, don't you?

    People debate, that's democracy for you, it's the very essence of being human.

    Liverpool. Ah yes, once voted the City of Culture. I bet they didn't get the vote on a typical Saturday night though with the streets littered with underage drinkers all making muti-coloured yawns over each other.

    I've just touched my forelock as I didn't know this was your forum and folks aren't allowed to ask questions you don't agree with.

    Bad day at the office perhaps or a row with the other half?
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    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 18th Apr 17, 10:36 PM
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    Technically as far as the DVLA are concerned the licence has not expired, it is the photo that expires and needs renewing
    Originally posted by dacouch
    It is for this reason that an expired driving licence cannot be accepted as 'valid ID'.

    As Dacouch says, it is the photo that has expired therefore the photo cannot be relied upon as a true likeness of the licence holder.

    It really is as simple as that.
    • daytona0
    • By daytona0 18th Apr 17, 11:04 PM
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    You've been watching The Day Of The Jackel haven't you, and you know what happened to the guy who produced The Jackel's passport, don't you?
    Originally posted by Sicard
    I'm afraid I haven't got a scooby doo what you're talking about.

    People debate, that's democracy for you, it's the very essence of being human.
    Yea, ok fair point I agree with that to an extent. Unless I'm just looking in the wrong place...?


    Liverpool. Ah yes, once voted the City of Culture. I bet they didn't get the vote on a typical Saturday night though with the streets littered with underage drinkers all making muti-coloured yawns over each other.
    Indeed. I'm surprised that such events do not get as much media coverage as they did during the "Blair years"....

    I've just touched my forelock as I didn't know this was your forum and folks aren't allowed to ask questions you don't agree with.
    Okayy....

    I didn't disagree with your question because, despite subtly hinting at it, you never actually determined what the correct answer was!
    I just pointed out that it was laced in bias and gave you an answer.

    Bad day at the office perhaps or a row with the other half?
    Yea, the whole debating thing doesn't work when you just deflect like that
    ent.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 20th Apr 17, 1:41 AM
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    Technically as far as the DVLA are concerned the licence has not expired, it is the photo that expires and needs renewing
    Originally posted by dacouch
    DS2 just renewed his licence, and it's his original photo on the new one ... he looks about 13, although I'm sure he was older when it was taken!
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    • oscarward
    • By oscarward 20th Apr 17, 2:52 PM
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    I have just renewed my photo licence online, for which I could use the passport photo , and this was a renewal using the same photo from 15 years ago.


    I am now grey!
    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 20th Apr 17, 4:42 PM
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    A line has to be drawn somewhere.
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