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    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 22nd Mar 17, 11:29 AM
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    Advice Needed - NTK Received for Parking Charge Notice
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 11:29 AM
    Advice Needed - NTK Received for Parking Charge Notice 22nd Mar 17 at 11:29 AM
    Hi,

    Just wanted some advice on an NTK letter I received a few days ago from CM Services Ltd. I've read the newbies post and checked they are IPC accredited.

    Just some background on the incident - I received the PCN back at the beginning of February for not displaying a permit. I received a PCN previously (about a year ago) for the same reason but ignored it and nothing ever became of it. So I decided to ignore the recent fine as well hoping it would go away. Anyway, truth be told the permit is a fake (one the company I work for had created to park at this particular car park for work purposes.) Anyway on this day I just forgot to display the permit and what do you know I receive a bloody PCN. Sod's law....

    There's no way I want to pay the fine. But what are my options? As the permits a fake am I screwed and have no choice? Or should I send CM Services an email with the template in the newbies section? Is this template still applicable as they've already obtained my details from the DVLA?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    Cheers
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    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 22nd Mar 17, 12:52 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 12:52 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 12:52 PM
    As you don't have a permit, you are trespassing, which is a good thing in parking situations ironically. They can't sue you for breaking any contract.

    Might be helpful to get us a copy of the signage to see how to play it further, but I wouldn't try sending an appeal based on a forged permit.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 22nd Mar 17, 1:13 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 1:13 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 1:13 PM
    Send the IPC template. If it ever got to court it would show that you tried to engage. The template is relevant irrespective of whether you have received a windscreen ticket or NTK.
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    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 22nd Mar 17, 3:33 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 3:33 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 3:33 PM
    Thanks both, I'll send the template and see what happens. I'll take a photo of the signage next time I'm that way. Ultimately, do you think I'm going to have to pay up?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 22nd Mar 17, 3:47 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 3:47 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 3:47 PM
    No, these are small fry with no court profile, not a big player:

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Comprehensive_Management_Services.html

    The only way you would have to pay would be if a Judge said so - highly unlikely, seeing as they are not litigious and we win v Gladstones cases in every case we've helped with, including fellsider who won today:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5545901

    I very much doubt yours will do anything more than result in demands that you can ignore, no court.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 22nd Mar 17, 4:05 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 4:05 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 4:05 PM
    Thanks very much Coupon-mad. Are you aware if they send debt collectors at all? Would you advise to ignore any debt recovery letters they may issue? Cheers
    • Guys Dad
    • By Guys Dad 22nd Mar 17, 4:33 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 4:33 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 4:33 PM
    Thanks very much Coupon-mad. Are you aware if they send debt collectors at all? Would you advise to ignore any debt recovery letters they may issue? Cheers
    Originally posted by Zekester

    If you can find ONE thread on here suggesting you should communicate with a Debt Collectore pre-court papers, then please show me the link!
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 22nd Mar 17, 5:22 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 5:22 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 5:22 PM
    Sebnd debt collectors?
    you may get a few letters in different colours of ink.

    As for the workplace parking, does your company have the right to use that car park? this could be similar to residential/own space issues where a PPc has come along and tried to impose its own rules
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 22nd Mar 17, 5:24 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 5:24 PM
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    • 22nd Mar 17, 5:24 PM
    Ha! No I meant if it gets to the stage where debt collectors become involved Guys Dad. I've not been in this situation before so a little unsure how it all works
    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 22nd Mar 17, 5:28 PM
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    @Half_way, no they don't have the right to use that car park. With regards to the letters you mentioned that I could potentially receive am I right to just ignore them? Thanks
    • Redx
    • By Redx 22nd Mar 17, 5:32 PM
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    yes they are likely to involve debt collectors who can only send letters

    nobody is going to knock on the door UNLESS there has been a court case, you have lost , then you did not pay the judgment promptly (28 days) , which would result in a CCJ (this is all for charges in england or wales)

    it needs a court order before enforcement can take place (a CCJ)

    the PPC has 6 years to issue a court case (MCOL) , so ignoring for a year (12 months) is nothing compared to the fact the PPC has 72 months to issue the court papers , so your statement of "nothing came of it" is 5 years premature
    Last edited by Redx; 22-03-2017 at 5:34 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Half_way
    • By Half_way 22nd Mar 17, 5:37 PM
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    you said the company you work for created permits, was your vehicle/the driver instructed to park there by your employer?
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 22nd Mar 17, 5:43 PM
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    Yes I was advised to park there by my employer
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 24th Mar 17, 12:08 AM
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    You do know that debt collectors are not bailiffs, don't you?

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5035663

    Look at StaffsSW's collection of daft 'debt collector' letters:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=72293259#post72293259

    HTH
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 24th Mar 17, 2:20 PM
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    Yes am aware of that thanks Coupon-mad. This is all new to me....

    I'm going to ignore any further correspondence and see what happens

    Thanks for all the advice
    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 12th Jul 17, 10:53 PM
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    So I had my first letter from Wright Hassall (or rather ZZPS / CM Services....) I've ignored all the ZZPS letters but I knew the fake solicitor letters would start but I'm a little unsure what to do next. Should I ignore the WH letter and wait for another threatening letter and then draft a response based on LazyDaizy's letter? Or should I acknowledge the letter at this point? I've not lodged any appeals with POPLA - I have no permit to park there. Any help would be appreciated.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jul 17, 11:10 PM
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    Same advice as this one yesterday:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=72823797#post72823797

    We see the same things all the time, so always search the forum or look back a few pages.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Zekester
    • By Zekester 13th Jul 17, 9:58 PM
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    Thanks Coupon-mad, will respond using the example in the link you gave me.
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