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    • rentmekid
    • By rentmekid 20th Mar 17, 2:33 PM
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    Why do tenants have so many rights
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    • 20th Mar 17, 2:33 PM
    Why do tenants have so many rights 20th Mar 17 at 2:33 PM
    Hi there,


    I am thinking about becoming a landlord for the first time and one of the main issues that is concerning me is the control that tenants can have over their landlords.


    From many posts that I have read, on this forum and others, it seems like tenants can move into a property, look for loopholes, problems, etc, and then decide not to pay their rent, which can often take months for the landlord to evict.


    If I was stop paying mortgage payments to my own house, the bank would be breathing right down my neck.


    How can this be possible? and when the landlord goes chasing for the money, he can be accused of not allowing the tenant to enjoy his home in peace.


    Just because the tenant is paying rent, doesn't mean he owns the house. Surely there must be more rights for the landlord


    For example, if I was to hire a car, my deposit wouldn't protected and I'm fairly sure I wouldn't think the car is mine.


    Can anyone give me their opinions?
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    • foxy-stoat
    • By foxy-stoat 20th Mar 17, 3:12 PM
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    I am thinking about becoming a landlord for the first time and one of the main issues that is concerning me is the control that tenants can have over their landlords.


    From many posts that I have read, on this forum and others, it seems like tenants can move into a property, look for loopholes, problems, etc, and then decide not to pay their rent, which can often take months for the landlord to evict.


    If I was stop paying mortgage payments to my own house, the bank would be breathing right down my neck.


    How can this be possible? and when the landlord goes chasing for the money, he can be accused of not allowing the tenant to enjoy his home in peace.


    Just because the tenant is paying rent, doesn't mean he owns the house. Surely there must be more rights for the landlord


    For example, if I was to hire a car, my deposit wouldn't protected and I'm fairly sure I wouldn't think the car is mine.


    Can anyone give me their opinions?
    Originally posted by rentmekid

    Car hire is not the same as renting a property.


    If you have concerns over becoming a Landlord then DO NOT do it.


    You read other threads and articles on what happens when it goes wrong, you do not read many threads about landlords who rent their property and receive rent for many years from good tenants, they are very boring reading.


    Good luck with your new venture, if you dare take the plunge!
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 20th Mar 17, 3:16 PM
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    boliston, I think the principle is the same even if you don't agree. on a similar note, everyone needs food, but I don't think you can walk into a restaurant, eat as much as you want and then decide you are not going to pay.
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    Unfortunately for you the law doesn't agree with you. Property has its own set of laws therefore renting a property is not comparable to hiring a car, borrowing a book or dining out in a restaurant.

    You might find this blog article by a solicitor specialising in English housing law interesting.

    http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2015/01/13/do-tenants-own-the-property-they-rent/



    ok, but shouldn't it be a case of no rent no stay?
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    That's where there's a Section 8 eviction route which leads to the eviction of a tenant far quicker than a mortgage lender can repossess a property due to mortgage arrears. Hell, landlords can evict using the Section 21 route which doesn't even need a reason.


    I have been watching nightmare tenants recently and the way some of these tenants are, its absolutely disgusting. just saying.
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    Do you know what all those tenants have in common. Their landlords chose them. Out of all the tenants out there looking for a new home they were chosen by the landlord using whatever referencing/tenant selection method the landlord chose.

    Sure referencing isn't infallible but it's unlikely that someone who up until now had been a model tenant decided to be an arsehole.

    Nightmare tenants just cost landlords time and money. No one is forced to become a landlord, it a choice, even those that claim to be "accidental" landlords made a conscious decision to become a landlord. On the flip side, everyone needs somewhere to live and nightmare landlords cause far more damage to their tenants that a nightmare tenant can cause a landlord.
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    • Fosterdog
    • By Fosterdog 20th Mar 17, 3:18 PM
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    Personally? Yes, I think you were. To be a bit annoyed at the delay as clearly inconvenienced, fair enough, but to think it gave you the right to withhold rent for something that most home owners would accept? Yes, unreasonable.
    Originally posted by FBaby
    Really? Now that I am a homeowner I would not let myself go two weeks with no hot water upstairs, I would get it sorted ASAP (BTW there was only one bathroom and it was upstairs) should I have the right to be able to have a bath or shower in a home I am paying rent for, what if I didn't happen to have relatives near by who's shower I could use? How long do you think it would be acceptable for me to have to forgo basic hygiene in order for the landlord to save a few £. Would it have been more reasonable to not threaten to withhold the rent but to expect the landlord to offer a reduction for the time I didn't have full use of all of the facilities I was paying for?

    Most homeowners would not accept something like that they would want it fixed as soon as possible. You rlly are not cut out to be a landlord with your way of thinking, bad landlords attract bad tenants as the good ones will get fed up and go elsewhere where they get a decent level of "service" for their money leaving just bad tenants willing to move in out of desperation.
    • kingstreet
    • By kingstreet 20th Mar 17, 3:19 PM
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    For someone, it's a place to live.

    It's an investment for someone else.

    Unfortunately, those requirements tend towards incompatibility. As I get older, I'm finding the commodification of many of things we need for basic human survival more and more disagreeable.
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 20th Mar 17, 3:19 PM
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    ok, so being homeless means you don't need to pay your rent???
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    You're either being obtuse or trying to be provocative. Regardless of which it is save yourself a lot of time and hassle and invest your money in something other than buy to let.
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    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 20th Mar 17, 3:20 PM
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    Hi there,


    I am thinking about becoming a landlord for the first time and one of the main issues that is concerning me is the control that tenants can have over their landlords. .................
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    Piffle! (btw I'm a Landlord...)

    Have you not read the 1988 Housing Act and seen that a landlord can evict a tenant for no reason at all?? (Section 21, we know who brought that in...).

    If you are seriously thinking of becoming a landlord, suggest you do a basic course: It will save you more in time & money than it costs.

    In my experience, most groups (brownies, landlords, people of short stature, persons of tall stature.... ) think they have a terrible hard time & "them" are more privileged... and it ain't fair:
    Last edited by theartfullodger; 20-03-2017 at 3:23 PM.
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 20th Mar 17, 3:29 PM
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    - Landlords need protection from nightmare tenants

    - Tenants need protection from nightmare landlords

    Examples of both exist, even though the OP's only chosen to read/believe examples of the former. If they can't concede there are also examples of the latter, then they're probably not suited to being a landlord.
    • fairy lights
    • By fairy lights 20th Mar 17, 3:31 PM
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    Jeez don't become a landlord if this is how you feel about the whole thing. I would hate to be the tenant of a landlord who thinks that I have "too many rights".
    • rentmekid
    • By rentmekid 20th Mar 17, 3:33 PM
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    I agree that for every nightmare tenant there is a nightmare landlord, but I believe I would be a good landlord and wish to avoid these disgusting scummy tenants. nothing wrong with that
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 20th Mar 17, 3:34 PM
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    In my experience, most groups (brownies, landlords, people of short stature, persons of tall stature.... ) think they have a terrible hard time & "them" are more privileged... and it ain't fair:
    Originally posted by theartfullodger
    I really hope you mean small girls who enjoy camping...
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    • catz1ct
    • By catz1ct 20th Mar 17, 3:36 PM
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    Can landlords get insurance that covers them if a tenant decides to stop paying their rent?

    • elsien
    • By elsien 20th Mar 17, 3:36 PM
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    ok, so being homeless means you don't need to pay your rent???
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    Technically being homeless would mean that there is no rent to pay.....
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • rentmekid
    • By rentmekid 20th Mar 17, 3:39 PM
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    elsien - let me rephrase as you seem to be struggling to grasp what I was saying.
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 20th Mar 17, 3:48 PM
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    I believe I would be a good landlord and wish to avoid these disgusting scummy tenants. nothing wrong with that
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    Hmmm....an inflated sense of your own abilities coupled with a contempt for your customers. What could possibly go wrong...?
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 20th Mar 17, 3:50 PM
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    elsien - let me rephrase as you seem to be struggling to grasp what I was saying.
    Originally posted by rentmekid
    Well go on then, because I haven't got a clue what you thought you meant - elsien was perfectly correct based on what you actually wrote.
    • rentmekid
    • By rentmekid 20th Mar 17, 3:51 PM
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    agrinnal - is elsien your missus or something?
    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 20th Mar 17, 3:52 PM
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    You haven't done enough research to start letting property. You have only done a bit around the edges. Think of letting property like a degree. You need to do extensive research into your business model. Posting one sided ideas on here isn't getting your research done. Letting is the same as any other business to be successful you are looking for a gap in the market that you can fill. In other words there is no point in buying a 2 bed flat in a building of 2 bed flats where half of them are available to let and have been for several months.
    • rentmekid
    • By rentmekid 20th Mar 17, 3:53 PM
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    cakeguts - best advice I have had so far
    • elsien
    • By elsien 20th Mar 17, 3:55 PM
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    Oh I don't know.
    I think watching "Can't pay we'll take it away" to form his opinions is very thorough of the OP and due to this research and being fully aware of all his obligations as a landlord he should head off and get on with it.
    As previously stated, what could possibly go wrong?
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • rentmekid
    • By rentmekid 20th Mar 17, 3:58 PM
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    elsien - you went wrong
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