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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 17th Mar 17, 8:00 PM
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    Buying a houseboat
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    • 17th Mar 17, 8:00 PM
    Buying a houseboat 17th Mar 17 at 8:00 PM
    I am vaguely thinking of moving

    During a search of available properties I came across a new houseboat with a permanent mooring at my local marina. And very nice it is too. 60 ft long - tastefully decorated - a bit of a man vpcave - big telly, drinks fridge etc

    I've never thought of living on a houseboat before but I can see the attractions. I'm aware of some of the downsides - mooring fees, insurance, licence, maintenance etc. I don't need that much space - my best friend reckons I could live in a hotel room. I don't come with much baggage - it's me and my cat really

    Internet and Sky Sports are important to me. Mid 60s now and like my days in front of the telly watching cricket, rugby, golf etc. The marina has wi fi - I've asked about provision for TV

    Just wondered if anyone with experience could comment on the pros and cons. It may well not happen but it's piqued my interest
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    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 4:15 PM
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    "Widebeam narrowboat" is an oxymoron.

    £150K, 60 x 12, only 1 cabin and 1 head. Does not seem particularly good value and £6K pa mooring fee. Stay there 10 yrs and there's a minimum of £60K for allowing you to put 2 ropes around mooring posts.
    Originally posted by lincroft1710
    I understand this.

    But it's also a possible "one off" chance to buy what looks like a lovely boat on a marina I love. And I can make an offer

    I am starting to get my sensible head on too!

    Thanks again for all the input
    • G_M
    • By G_M 19th Mar 17, 4:37 PM
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    The aqua marine prices were for narrowboats.

    We have eventually, after pulling teeth, established this is a widebeam.

    Ramsgate marina does offer liveaboard moorings. See section 4:

    http://www.portoframsgate.co.uk/media/3757138/T_and_Cs_Draft_2017.pdf
    • sparky130a
    • By sparky130a 19th Mar 17, 4:42 PM
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    Personally if i was taking this route i'd be going somewhere much further South and clement...
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 19th Mar 17, 5:05 PM
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    Thanks

    Glad it wasn't me!

    Have to think how to get it to Ramsgate too - assuming a mooring was available!
    Originally posted by NeilCr


    In theory, sail it down the R Stour, then across Pegwell Bay on an extremely calm day! About 3 miles.

    In practice, for that location is a canal boat necessary, or the best option?
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 5:12 PM
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    The aqua marine prices were for narrowboats.

    We have eventually, after pulling teeth, established this is a widebeam.

    Ramsgate marina does offer liveaboard moorings. See section 4:

    http://www.portoframsgate.co.uk/media/3757138/T_and_Cs_Draft_2017.pdf
    Originally posted by G_M
    Actually, no. You weren't pulling teeth. I was (am) very new to this so wasn't entirely sure what was going on. I provided information as I was getting used to the idea and the questions being asked

    Folks on here have been very helpful. My initial question clearly asked for those with experience to comment. I am very grateful for your input but it would be useful to know what actual experience you have of houseboat/narrowboat ownership. Because - you don't need to be so snarky twice

    Anyway - moving on. Sparky good for you. But I love this area - a lot of what I have (my partner, my friends, my volunteering, my work) are here. I don't want to go anywhere else. So -it's a possible opportunity for something a bit different. It may be a good idea - it may be a rubbish idea - but posts have helped me focus on how to move forward. Thank you

    In the end, as has been posted on here many times, a property (houseboat) is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. This is, most likely, a one off opportunity which may be worth paying a premium for

    We'll see!
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 19th Mar 17, 5:16 PM
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    The aqua marine prices were for narrowboats.

    We have eventually, after pulling teeth, established this is a widebeam.

    Ramsgate marina does offer liveaboard moorings. See section 4:

    http://www.portoframsgate.co.uk/media/3757138/T_and_Cs_Draft_2017.pdf
    Originally posted by G_M

    I am sure the OP is capable of researching boat prices. I have found 60 ft widebeams secondhand for around the £60k mark. I haven't investigated all the new-build ones.

    The key point is to separate the cost of the boat from the cost of the mooring, and the OP has taken this on board. And, if he chooses to ignore that advice because he's doing the mid-life equivalent of buying a Harley, that's completely up to him.

    Incidentally, check out free harbours. If you want cheap living, buy a cheap boat and forget about mooring fees :
    http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?241870-Blakeney-Britains-only-free-harbour
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 19th Mar 17, 6:03 PM
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    Having had a canal and stayed in family's static caravan :


    Is the water supply mains ?


    It looks as though sewage may have pump out cost.


    Is it connected to the electricity mains ? All electric heating may be more expensive than mains gas.


    Calor gas is not as good as mains gas for cooking. My son's static's oven takes ages to reach temperature and that, too me, doesn't seem as hot as the control suggests. My son has a mains gas cooker at home so can make a comparison and wouldn't risk cooking something like chicken on container gas.


    Is tv reception good enough ? An aerial or dish on the actual craft would be prone to losing signal when the boat is disturbed by rough water or passing craft.


    It's unlikely that you could get a landline, so would you be happy with using mobile internet, which can work out expensive ?


    For about half that price,you could buy a lovely static caravan and annual fees on a small site would be much lower, though you would still have the same gas and internet problems. Many sites do have a restriction on the time you can reside and this may involve moving out for at least 6 weeks per year, unless the site is registered as residential, because of regulations.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 6:11 PM
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    Thank you very much for this teddysmum. Lots of good stuff - especially, for me anyway, the Internet/TV questions. Bloke alone and all that! Exactly what I was looking for

    Static caravan. No. It's the marina life thing that attracts me!
    • KiKi
    • By KiKi 19th Mar 17, 6:51 PM
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    I know nothing about house boats or marinas - but I know lots about cats!

    Just a thought - whilst I appreciate a cat could roam further than the boat / mooring, will it be a safe area for the cat? Would it be easy for the cat to get on someone else's boat and for them to take off? Is there enough room for you and a cat so that it's not restricted to space that's too small for its wellbeing? Are there sensible places for a cat litter tray (as it won't have a garden to poo in and you don't want it pooing around the marina!)? Etc.
    ' <-- See that? It's called an apostrophe. It does not mean "hey, look out, here comes an S".
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 6:56 PM
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    I know nothing about house boats or marinas - but I know lots about cats!

    Just a thought - whilst I appreciate a cat could roam further than the boat / mooring, will it be a safe area for the cat? Would it be easy for the cat to get on someone else's boat and for them to take off? Is there enough room for you and a cat so that it's not restricted to space that's too small for its wellbeing? Are there sensible places for a cat litter tray (as it won't have a garden to poo in and you don't want it pooing around the marina!)? Etc.
    Originally posted by KiKi

    I know Kiki!

    Rodney's wellbeing is high on my agenda

    He is FIV so can't go out and I have to consider how it will affect him. He isn't the most active of cats but has a house to roam around in now. And, yep, dirttrays!

    And, as and when he passes on (think he has got a lot of years in him yet) I'll want another cat/cats. If it isn't good for him I won't buy it. Simple as that
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 19th Mar 17, 7:04 PM
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    I know Kiki!

    Rodney's wellbeing is high on my agenda

    He is FIV so can't go out and I have to consider how it will affect him. He isn't the most active of cats but has a house to roam around in now. And, yep, dirttrays!

    And, as and when he passes on (think he has got a lot of years in him yet) I'll want another cat/cats. If it isn't good for him I won't buy it. Simple as that
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    Can I ask what you will do with your house? Will you sell it to finance the boat, or let it out?

    What does FIV mean?

    Edit: And we called our cat Gloves.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
    • KiKi
    • By KiKi 19th Mar 17, 7:05 PM
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    I know Kiki!

    Rodney's wellbeing is high on my agenda

    He is FIV so can't go out
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    Ah, well that helps with that decision. In which case my primary concern (as would seem to be yours, which is fab) is whether he'd really have enough space inside a place that's presumably far smaller than your house.

    I'm the same with my cats - I've cancelled holidays / changed plans / changed jobs for their wellbeing. They sleep most of the day (they're 16 this year) but they are number one in this house, and I suspect they know it. *I* only knew it when one day I had three snack a jacks and a banana for dinner whilst they had organic white bait and salmon, and I wondered what had gone wrong in my life. *sigh*
    ' <-- See that? It's called an apostrophe. It does not mean "hey, look out, here comes an S".
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 7:18 PM
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    Can I ask what you will do with your house? Will you sell it to finance the boat, or let it out?

    What does FIV mean?

    Edit: And we called our cat Gloves.
    Originally posted by GDB2222
    I'll sell it. No interest in being a landlord

    FIV is the feline equivalent of HIV. Basically no immune system so you can't risk them interacting with other cats. They can pass it on via fighting and (ahem!). And they are very susceptible to bugs/germs etc
    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 19th Mar 17, 7:25 PM
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    I'll sell it. No interest in being a landlord
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    Does that leave you any way back if it turns out you can't stand living on a boat?
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 19th Mar 17, 7:33 PM
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    Does that leave you any way back if it turns out you can't stand living on a boat?
    Originally posted by GDB2222
    Well. I would have finance available, if necessary, to buy somewhere. Through my volunteering/work I see a lot of the problems re being a landlord and I don't want that hassle

    It's a big decision - for me and Rodney! - that's for sure

    Aiming to go and have a look this week. That may swing it immediately
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