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    • gettingready
    • By gettingready 16th Mar 17, 4:08 PM
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    Police ringing my doorbell when visiting my neighbour
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    • 16th Mar 17, 4:08 PM
    Police ringing my doorbell when visiting my neighbour 16th Mar 17 at 4:08 PM
    A strange one I know but maybe someone can advise?

    I live on a ground floor in a house conversion, there are 2 flats above me.

    Police has been coming to one of the neighbours every day since Sunday and they keep on ringing my bell and then barging past me saying they have to go upstairs.

    Person they want to see is deaf/hard of hearing BUT has own specially adapted doorbell outside communal door so I see no reason at all for the Police to keep on calling mine.

    This is nothing criminal so no worry here as such but I am fed up with being disturbed as this is a situation that is likely to go on for ages (complicated, ongoing issue).

    Today again my doorbell rang, my dog went psycho (which I hate), I went out into communal hallway to the front door and again the Police and again I am telling them they are ringing wrong doorbell but they just barge past me and go upstairs.

    I am on ground floor but can not see from the window who is it ringing the doorbell so can not ignore it really.

    How can I make them stop ringing my doorbell when the issue upstairs is nothing to do with me.

    Any idea?
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    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 18th Mar 17, 9:57 PM
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    Because although I know the details it is not my business and neither is it yours.

    It is a private matter between my neighbour and the Police and I just simply do not wish to be involved in any shape or form and by ringing my bell to get inside I am forced to be involved.

    Regardless of what the reason is for their visits - this is nothing to do with me. It really is that simple.
    Originally posted by gettingready
    I don't mean anyone needs to know the sordid details . I doubt anyone actually cares , it really is that simple.

    You ask for advice-there seems to be a gap in the information you've given .
    The " private matter" you refer to clearly isn't private as you've told us you know the gory details.
    You've answered your own question . If you don't want to be involved , only speak to the police through the closed door
    Last edited by hollydays; 18-03-2017 at 10:23 PM.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 19th Mar 17, 7:42 AM
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    I never open my door without the chain on. It's basic safety, next time it might not be the police pushing past you.
    Originally posted by hollydays
    IIRC it's a communal door.

    If there isn't already a chain on that door it may not be possible for the OP to put one on.
    And it could be an issue because if someone puts the chain on and goes off to their own flat, it may mean another resident is locked out.

    There seems to be a very simple resolution to this - the police use the right doorbell to gain access.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 19th Mar 17, 8:17 AM
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    I realised that . That's why I have put " only speak to the police through the closed door". It was a serious point- don't open the door to a stranger.

    It's very unusual , OP , not to have a spyglass or a glass panel in the door?

    It's entirely possible that the police are getting a call to go then are additionally being directed " this person is deaf" , which may explain why they ring the communal bell. The police deal with so many calls, and they send different officers all the time. Give the police a break. It's not deliberate.
    Last edited by hollydays; 19-03-2017 at 10:36 AM.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 19th Mar 17, 8:34 AM
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    I realised that . That's why I have put " only speak to the police through the closed door". It was a serious point- don't open the door to a stranger.

    It's entirely possible that the police are getting a call to go then are additionally being directed " this person is deaf" , which may explain why they ring the communal bell. The police deal with so many calls. .
    Originally posted by hollydays
    From what I've read, there isn't a communal bell.
    The police are ringing the OP's bell.

    Police has been coming to one of the neighbours every day since Sunday and they keep on ringing my bell and then barging past me saying they have to go upstairs.

    Person they want to see is deaf/hard of hearing BUT has own specially adapted doorbell outside communal door so I see no reason at all for the Police to keep on calling mine.
    Originally posted by gettingready
    I wonder if this 'specially adapted doorbell' is clearly marked so that visitors can tell it is for the flat with the hard-of-hearing resident.

    If it is, the police have no reason at all to ring the OP's bell.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 19th Mar 17, 8:39 AM
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    As I envisioned it, it was the main secure door to the flats , they are ringing the first bell to get access, but thats probably because they are being told on the incident report the AP Is deaf.
    The problem would be I guess, you wouldn't want to alert to strangers" there's a deaf person living in these flats" .



    The police are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
    They are still responding quickly to some urgency. That cannot be wrong.
    The fact is, it's recently dawned on the op that they've got a neighbour with issues, the quick solution to that I'm afraid , is to move.
    The thing to do is to make an official complaint to the police so it's on record.Personally, I wouldn't use the word 'barging 'though.
    Last edited by hollydays; 19-03-2017 at 10:35 AM.
    • rach_k
    • By rach_k 19th Mar 17, 8:49 AM
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    I would just stick a note next to your bell saying that you will only open the door to your own visitors. If they ignore that, then complain.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 19th Mar 17, 9:40 AM
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    Thinking about the generalities of this, I recall a similar incident.

    Our house is number XX and the house numbered XX-1 is probably 100 yards further down the road as we have a cul-de-sac next to us which has a different street name.

    We started getting weekly hand delivered letters for number XX-1.
    This continued for a while and I'd walk up the road and post to the correct address.
    Then I started putting a note on asking that the recipient tell the poster that they were delivering to the wrong address.
    Actually, it was plain idleness, can't-be-bothered finding the right house.

    Months on, we were still getting the letters.
    So I started writing 'not known at this address' and putting them in the post box.
    Of course they had no stamp on so no idea what happened to them.
    But it did stop whoever posting the letters through our letter box.
    • indsty
    • By indsty 19th Mar 17, 9:52 AM
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    Have you tried speaking to the police when they are leaving. I can understand that they may have to respond quickly to whoever has called them and therefore do not have time to have a conversation with you as they are arriving.

    However, if you go out and speak to them when the incident is over and explain your problem they may be more receptive. On the other hand, if it is different officers (which is likely) every time, then they don't know that you are being constantly bothered and they are probably fed up with the whole situation as well !
    • maisie cat
    • By maisie cat 19th Mar 17, 9:58 AM
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    Door bell rings.
    You walk to the hallway to see who it is.
    You can tell it is the police again, so you walk back to your flat.
    Police wait for intended person to actually come down and open the door.

    Do that often enough and the police will stop ringing your bell. Problem solved?
    Originally posted by DoaM
    My first thought at this was the likelihood of being arrested for something spurious, perhaps I read too much in newspapers about the police
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 19th Mar 17, 10:37 AM
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    My first thought at this was the likelihood of being arrested for something spurious, perhaps I read too much in newspapers about the police
    Originally posted by maisie cat
    To be arrested , you need to have committed an arrestable offence
    Last edited by hollydays; 19-03-2017 at 10:39 AM.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 19th Mar 17, 2:41 PM
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    My first thought at this was the likelihood of being arrested for something spurious, perhaps I read too much in newspapers about the police
    Originally posted by maisie cat
    To be arrested , you need to have committed an arrestable offence
    Originally posted by hollydays
    Precisely. And as OP said right at the start ... the neighbour is expecting the police, indeed is waiting for them to arrive, The police simply won't wait for ONE minutes for the neighbour to come down 2 flights of stairs.

    If OP follows my suggestion then there shouldn't be any trouble. If the police then tried to arrest the OP for obstruction then they'd have a valid complaint against the police ... I doubt the police would want that hassle. (We're not in the USA you know).
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    • Lord Baltimore
    • By Lord Baltimore 19th Mar 17, 5:16 PM
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    It's a sad state of affairs when law-abiding, decent people will do nothing to assist the police in the course of their duty to the community. We demand exemplar performance of them in increasingly dangerous times but object to helping them perform routine tasks that keep us and our neighbourhood's safe and/or in order.

    We don't know why the police attend this flat but the fact that they do, sometimes in numbers, tells me there is good enough reason for them to do so and when you live in a community it is unrealistic to completely avoid that which happens within it imho.
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    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 19th Mar 17, 5:25 PM
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    It's a sad state of affairs when law-abiding, decent people will do nothing to assist the police in the course of their duty to the community. We demand exemplar performance of them in increasingly dangerous times but object to helping them perform routine tasks that keep us and our neighbourhood's safe and/or in order.

    We don't know why the police attend this flat but the fact that they do, sometimes in numbers, tells me there is good enough reason for them to do so and when you live in a community it is unrealistic to completely avoid that which happens within it imho.
    Originally posted by Lord Baltimore
    It's a sad state of affairs when the police who are attending a scene can't find the right doorbell to ring.
    • Lord Baltimore
    • By Lord Baltimore 19th Mar 17, 6:01 PM
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    It's a sad state of affairs when the police who are attending a scene can't find the right doorbell to ring.
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    Thank you Anita Ward.

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    • GDB2222
    • By GDB2222 19th Mar 17, 6:03 PM
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    Thank you Anita Ward.

    Some people don't mind helping; some hermits do
    Originally posted by Lord Baltimore

    I think the OP is suggesting that she doesn't mind helping a bit, but this is annoying. It's not as if they thank her for her help.
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    • Cloth of Gold
    • By Cloth of Gold 19th Mar 17, 6:54 PM
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    You say that your neighbour is expecting them. Couldn't you speak to him/her and ask them to come down to the door to let them in when s/he knows the police are coming ?
    • ThumbRemote
    • By ThumbRemote 19th Mar 17, 7:03 PM
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    It's a sad state of affairs when law-abiding, decent people will do nothing to assist the police in the course of their duty to the community. We demand exemplar performance of them in increasingly dangerous times but object to helping them perform routine tasks that keep us and our neighbourhood's safe and/or in order.

    We don't know why the police attend this flat but the fact that they do, sometimes in numbers, tells me there is good enough reason for them to do so and when you live in a community it is unrealistic to completely avoid that which happens within it imho.
    Originally posted by Lord Baltimore
    You don't seem to understand that people have the choice whether to help or not. Most people are willing to help the police, however people should be given the option. And everybody has a limit as to what they're willing to do.
    • gettingready
    • By gettingready 19th Mar 17, 11:56 PM
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    I never open my door without the chain on. It's basic safety, next time it might not be the police pushing past you.
    Originally posted by hollydays
    You seem to be very selective in what you do not read in my posts and make a lot of assumptions.

    It is a communal door, there is no "secure door entry system" as it is a house conversion not a block of flats so there is no chain or spy hole in the main front door.

    Anyway, as I said it is sorted for now so till next time.....

    Amd I am not looking to move away as I o ly moved in here in Dec last year and the first ti e Police was here for the same issue was on the day I was moving in - ringing mu doorbell.

    Each doorbell has flat number clearly marked on it and special doorbell for the flat in question is very different anyway so easy to see


    Thanks for all the useful comments everyone
    Last edited by gettingready; 20-03-2017 at 12:04 AM.
    • Lord Baltimore
    • By Lord Baltimore 20th Mar 17, 12:40 AM
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    I think the OP is suggesting that she doesn't mind helping a bit, but this is annoying. It's not as if they thank her for her help.
    Originally posted by GDB2222
    The least they could do is give her a 'Neighbour of the year' merit certificate for opening a door.
    You don't seem to understand that people have the choice whether to help or not. Most people are willing to help the police, however people should be given the option. And everybody has a limit as to what they're willing to do.
    Originally posted by ThumbRemote
    Of course I understand that people have the choice whether to help or not but it doesn't invalidate my opinion that those not willing to help are insular. I'm happy to help the police, you're inclined not to help them on official, police business.

    It takes all sorts I suppose.
    Last edited by Lord Baltimore; 20-03-2017 at 12:49 AM.
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    • gettingready
    • By gettingready 20th Mar 17, 12:48 AM
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    I am happy to help when help is needed but this is not help this is an unnecessary nuisance nothing more.

    No idea why is it so hard to understand for some
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