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    • potterspury
    • By potterspury 16th Mar 17, 9:03 AM
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    Lost job and got 3000 through settlement agreement, ok to go back into company?
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    • 16th Mar 17, 9:03 AM
    Lost job and got 3000 through settlement agreement, ok to go back into company? 16th Mar 17 at 9:03 AM
    Didn't have my contract renewed so got the union involved and got a 3000 on my settlement agreement. I still want to clean out my locker from 3 months ago and go back in and see my co workers. Why should new management stop me from seeing them. Glad to leave job anyway, but liked my co workers. Would it be illegal to go back in without telling management (in the evening when just cleaner and maybe one manager is in) and sort out my locker? And surely going in when everyone's there to meet co workers is fine? The worse they can do is tell me to sign in I guess.
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    • zx81
    • By zx81 16th Mar 17, 9:11 AM
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    No. If you don't work somewhere, you can't just wander into a workplace.
    • stator
    • By stator 16th Mar 17, 9:17 AM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 9:17 AM
    If you've been told to stay away then going in would be tresspassing.

    If you haven't been told to stay away then you could arrange with a member of staff to go in and empty your locker, but I wouldn't just turn up out of the blue.
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    • tea lover
    • By tea lover 16th Mar 17, 9:31 AM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 9:31 AM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 9:31 AM
    If you were that close to your co-workers surely you'd have contact details for them and could arrange to meet them outside of work?
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 16th Mar 17, 9:47 AM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 9:47 AM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 9:47 AM
    The way you do this is to get one of you mates to approach management and get approval to INVITE you in to collect your stuff and have a natter, perhaps over lunch or late in the work day.
    • Bogalot
    • By Bogalot 16th Mar 17, 10:00 AM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 10:00 AM
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    If you were that close to your co-workers surely you'd have contact details for them and could arrange to meet them outside of work?
    Originally posted by tea lover
    And they could bring the locker contents to him. If none of them want to, then OP you'll need to arrange for your possessions to be brought to you at reception or sent to your home.

    It would be very unusual to visit a workplace you left on less than amicable terms, and involving co workers in this puts them in a very awkward position.
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 16th Mar 17, 12:00 PM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 12:00 PM
    Didn't have my contract renewed so got the union involved and got a 3000 on my settlement agreement. I still want to clean out my locker from 3 months ago and go back in and see my co workers. Why should new management stop me from seeing them. Glad to leave job anyway, but liked my co workers. Would it be illegal to go back in without telling management (in the evening when just cleaner and maybe one manager is in) and sort out my locker? And surely going in when everyone's there to meet co workers is fine? The worse they can do is tell me to sign in I guess.
    Originally posted by potterspury
    If you breach any of the terms of the settlement agreement you could well end up having to repay it.

    You are no longer an employee so have no right to be on the premises unless invited.

    Obviously you have a right to your property back so you could contact the employer and ask for it. You could offer to come and collect it but ultimately it is up to them if they will let you on to the premises.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 16th Mar 17, 12:01 PM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 12:01 PM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 12:01 PM
    I don't think management at the company will be happy about you being on the premises, other than to collect the contents of your locker. The thought of being allowed to wander around and chat to old colleagues is naive at best.
    You will need to contact management at the company to make any arrangements.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 16th Mar 17, 1:12 PM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 1:12 PM
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    • 16th Mar 17, 1:12 PM
    Didn't have my contract renewed so got the union involved and got a 3000 on my settlement agreement. I still want to clean out my locker from 3 months ago and go back in and see my co workers. Why should new management stop me from seeing them. Glad to leave job anyway, but liked my co workers. Would it be illegal to go back in without telling management (in the evening when just cleaner and maybe one manager is in) and sort out my locker? And surely going in when everyone's there to meet co workers is fine? The worse they can do is tell me to sign in I guess.
    Originally posted by potterspury
    Are you trying to get them to reclaim the 3,000??

    Email your previous manager asking could you have the contents of your locker. I left a previous employer by a settlement agreement and they subsequently on request boxed up my desk drawer contents and posted them out.

    You have no right - and they have no obligation - to let you back on site.
    Regards

    Paul
    • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
    • By ScorpiondeRooftrouser 16th Mar 17, 1:46 PM
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    I still want to clean out my locker from 3 months ago and go back in and see my co workers. Why should new management stop me from seeing them.
    Originally posted by potterspury
    They don't want to stop you from seeing them. I don't want you to stop you from seeing them either, but you can't come into my kitchen and meet them there.
    • potterspury
    • By potterspury 18th Mar 17, 12:37 AM
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    Lots of old workers popped back in to meet people, but I don't think the ones that did, got 3000 on a settlement agreement though. I worked there 5.5 years so it feels strange not to be able to just go in. I get on with most people there. The other teachers won't care but management who may have not cared if I hadn't got the money will be annoyed by me coming in after the deal I got.

    Surely if I take my 2 year old to see my coworkers I could just sign in as a guest at the entrance that way I have covered myself?

    Regarding locker, I will text my old manager?

    I am not sure there's anything written on settlement agreement which mentions trespassing, will check.

    I am planning on popping in from time to time in the future so just sign in at reception then I've covered myself. i won't be bullied by (new management) to feel uncomfortable about coming back to a place I was in for 5 years (far more than they've been there) and are not liked either.
    Last edited by potterspury; 18-03-2017 at 12:45 AM.
    • potterspury
    • By potterspury 18th Mar 17, 12:40 AM
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    Are you trying to get them to reclaim the 3,000??

    Email your previous manager asking could you have the contents of your locker. I left a previous employer by a settlement agreement and they subsequently on request boxed up my desk drawer contents and posted them out.

    You have no right - and they have no obligation - to let you back on site.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    I will get the money next Friday. They aren't going to bother trying to reclaim it once it's in my account- too much hassle.
    • potterspury
    • By potterspury 18th Mar 17, 12:51 AM
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    And they could bring the locker contents to him. If none of them want to, then OP you'll need to arrange for your possessions to be brought to you at reception or sent to your home.

    It would be very unusual to visit a workplace you left on less than amicable terms, and involving co workers in this puts them in a very awkward position.
    Originally posted by Bogalot
    The normal staff don't know about the 3000. I didn't tell them because I didn't want them to feel awkward about inviting me out. It's not management's money either, so if they have been made to feel stupid by me getting the money. That's their problem. Most workers don't like the two managers there anyhow. I will go in and ignore them, there's nothing they can do .I will just sign in and go in- no law broken there. For locker will text manager.
    • glosoli
    • By glosoli 18th Mar 17, 2:27 AM
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    Don't be a weirdo and go into your old work place for goodness sake. Collect any old belongings on normal terms, socialise outside of the workplace if need be with old colleagues, but don't turn up in the building. Going into the building verges on mental illness / stalker behaviour, which I am sure is not the impression you are trying to leave here.
    • fishpond
    • By fishpond 18th Mar 17, 6:40 AM
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    I think you need to step back and think about what you did/didn't do, to lose your job.
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    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 18th Mar 17, 6:54 AM
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    . I worked there 5.5 years so it feels strange not to be able to just go in..
    REGARDLESS OF IF IT FEELS STRANGE, YOU DON'T WORK THERE. YOU HAVE LEFT. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO GO THERE.

    Surely if I take my 2 year old to see my coworkers I could just sign in as a guest at the entrance that way I have covered myself?
    COVERED YOURSELF FROM WHAT? ARE YOU SAYING I COULD GO TO YOUR OLD PLACE OF WORK TO WANDER ROUND BUT BECAUSE I SIGNED IN IT IS OK?

    I am planning on popping in from time to time in the future so just sign in at reception then I've covered myself. i won't be bullied by (new management) to feel uncomfortable about coming back to a place I was in for 5 years (far more than they've been there) and are not liked either.
    WHY WOULD YOU GO IN? TEXT OR CALL AND ARRANGE A NIGHT OUT. PEOPLE ARE WORKING, NOT AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO INTERRUPT AND CATCH UP. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE.
    Originally posted by potterspury
    The normal staff don't know about the 3000. I didn't tell them because I didn't want them to feel awkward about inviting me out.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. WHY WOULD SOMEONE FEEL AWKWARD OVER THIS?

    I will go in and ignore them, there's nothing they can do .I will just sign in and go in- no law broken there.
    NO LAW BROKEN? AH YEAH YOU SIGNED IN. THAT CLOVES EVERYTHING SILLY ME.
    Originally posted by potterspury
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    • potterspury
    • By potterspury 18th Mar 17, 8:24 AM
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    I think you need to step back and think about what you did/didn't do, to lose your job.
    Originally posted by fishpond
    What did I do- Well it's zero hours and those who are popular on a scored survey with students keep their job and those that aren't lose it basically. The fact that I survived 5 years means I was pretty popular at times and pretty unpopular at other times- largely to do with enthusiasm, energy and personality. But lasting five years when so many got fired showed I wasn't bad. There are a few who are just naturally popular for whatever reason and I wasn't in their league. Combine that with the usual management nonsense and the fact I messed my head teacher around in November (zero hours means I can work when I want as well) and they had messed me around. He wanted me to jump when he said, but not the other way round. This behaviour didn't go in my favour when my contract was due for renewal. I only did this for a month, but he probably didn't like it.

    So that's why I lost my job.

    The company I worked for is a joke. It's a TEFL language school which hires and fires people when it suits them. They are all like this. I was on a zero contract and one year fixed term so in theory had no rights (or so they thought). People come and go all the time. I did well to last 5 years . I was glad to leave with the money because I have been running my own business on the side and this has worked out well for me. I don't like the current management there but so what neither does anyone else and the main thing I got out of working there was meeting lots of nice co workers so why not continue that? If I sign in when I go and visit surely I haven't broken any rules? Lots of ex- employees pop in once every six months etc (but perhaps they didn't get a 3000 payout in a settlement agreement!) And even though it's not the two managers' money I did make them look stupid by winning this. There are only two managers and one probably won't even know I am in the building as she's always in her office.

    So I have no ill feeling towards the company. Happy to leave and I got some money to help my business. I was on zero hours and they should have just not have given me any hours, or pehaps just when they needed cover. I am now going to be a window cleaner with future possible earnings of 20-25 an hour when I was on 10 an hour working there.
    Last edited by potterspury; 18-03-2017 at 8:50 AM.
    • stator
    • By stator 18th Mar 17, 9:47 AM
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    Still don't understand why your obessed with going back in for no apparent reason.
    This will end badly
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    • takman
    • By takman 18th Mar 17, 9:53 AM
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    I can't beleive you think it's ok to go back into your old workplace just because you have signed in?. Signing in is irrelevant if they don't want you to be there and from the sounds of it the managers don't like you and won't want you there!.

    If any of your colleagues were actual friends of yours then you would have been arranging to meet them outside work. If you only see them at work and you haven't been in contact since you left then they can't really care about seeing you much.

    If you do go there and make it a regular thing I'm sure your colleagues will feel very awkward and find it strange you keep visiting them while they are trying to work. Then you will end up being escorted off site and told to stay away which will be very embarrassing for you.

    Just arrange to collect your belongings and leave it at that.
    • Undervalued
    • By Undervalued 18th Mar 17, 10:30 AM
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    Lots of old workers popped back in to meet people, but I don't think the ones that did, got 3000 on a settlement agreement though. I worked there 5.5 years so it feels strange not to be able to just go in. I get on with most people there. The other teachers won't care but management who may have not cared if I hadn't got the money will be annoyed by me coming in after the deal I got.

    Surely if I take my 2 year old to see my coworkers I could just sign in as a guest at the entrance that way I have covered myself?

    Regarding locker, I will text my old manager?

    I am not sure there's anything written on settlement agreement which mentions trespassing, will check.

    I am planning on popping in from time to time in the future so just sign in at reception then I've covered myself. i won't be bullied by (new management) to feel uncomfortable about coming back to a place I was in for 5 years (far more than they've been there) and are not liked either.
    Originally posted by potterspury
    Sorry but you are being utterly stupid if you behave like this!

    Arrange to collect your belongings then do no set foot in the place again unless (unlikely) you are specifically invited.

    Any settlement agreement I have ever seen has had a clause requiring the ex employee (and normally also the employer) to keep the details and even the existence of the agreement confidential. If you break the terms you risk losing the money. Clearly somebody there doesn't like you (rightly or wrongly) so they may well delight in doing just that if you give them an opportunity.

    Move on!
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